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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

This is sadly true. I don't understand it. Z was tried, found innocent, now leave him alone.

He will never be alone because the level of his innocence is arguable...

I do think he is morally guilty but it is sad to see him being portrayed as a rabid killer.

He was just a bit of a loser/loner with a penchant for vigilantism who got caught by his own doing in a tragic situation.

The all thing is a tragedy..
post #4562 of 6250
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

This is sadly true. I don't understand it. Z was tried, found innocent, now leave him alone.

he is a fatty he should not be left alone. any abuse he receives is just because he probably weighs out to about 140-150 kilos( it is not muscle mass either)
post #4563 of 6250
Here's a liberal civil rights attorney who saw through the bullshit. The silent majority maybe?
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

I don't know if I would go that far, but I do find it disconcerting that every time the media runs with its typical left wing, foaming at the mouth garbage, its defenders blame it on sensationalism and the race for advertising dollars as if anybody believes that as an explanation for the race baiting.

Really? I kind of believe it
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Originally Posted by mordecai View Post

Really? I kind of believe it

Well, the ones that do so consistently are losing market share (and market value) as a rule, and they only seem to foam in a single direction, so either we should assume that they are so stupid that they don't realize that it isn't good for their ratings, or they are doing it because they are ideologues. With somebody like Fox, you could at least make the argument that at times their craziness has been for ratings rather than ideology, as they have, as a rule, increased the nuttier Fox has gotten, but I am not really going to give them the benefit of the doubt either.
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At this point who has the better chance at a long and happy life: George Zimmerman or Edward Snowden?
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post



What's your alias on stormfront?

Can people stop posting those wearenotwhatever on this thread, it serves no purpose but to have a few misguided posters get high on their own superiority and clutters the thread.

The thread is over. Zimmerman is innocent. This thread only exists now for those of us who told you so to gloat about telling you. Why you are bothering to check this thread 5 days after the trial ended is your own fault.
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I am not Trayvon Martin. I am a privileged cis-gendered, heterosexual, “legally" married white woman living in a large Midwestern city. I have more education than 98% of the population because I was privileged enough to be born to white parents who owned a home in a neighborhood with well-funded public schools. And I went to those schools before NCLB. And I received scholarships and fellowships because someone who knew how to apply for those things taught me how because they told me I was entitled to apply for them. I was always told that these things were “for me." I was also told that justice was “for me." That I had a right to protection and justice under the law. That police officers were safe people to approach if I needed help. And this occurred in a neighborhood where stickers of McGruff the crime dog decorated windows, where neighborhood watch programs existed but were wholly unnecessary, and where almost all of the families were white. I grew up thinking every child had this kind of privilege. I grew up never imagining a world where people were suspicious of ME.

For these reasons, as a child or teen, I was never Trayvon Martin.

As an adult I am not Trayvon Martin. First because I have the privilege of seeing the sun rise tomorrow because no one has taken my life. I am still here. But I don’t know what “here" is anymore. I live in a “nice" neighborhood. But it is a neighborhood where I see young black men sitting on the curb, hands cuffed behind their backs, a squad car and two officers pacing around, and I want to know why. I see it constantly and I want to walk over to them and ask, “This is my neighborhood. What on earth is going on? Why have you placed him in handcuffs? Why did you stop him?" There is something so wrong about it. It is always a young black man. I have never seen anyone handcuffed on my street that was not a young black man. And I am NOT okay with it. I feel so helpless because I don’t know what to do. Young black men are stopped and handcuffed for, as it appears to me seeing it weekly, no reason at all. As it appears to me, they are being stopped simply for walking in my neighborhood. They are being stopped because they are young black men. This street is somehow not for them. Why is this street for me but not for them? Why do I get to walk here, any time of day, wearing a hoodie or t-shirt, drinking iced tea (or even wine, dammit!) and have no one be suspicious of me? Because I am white. And THIS is something I find simultaneously heartbreaking and disgusting. I did nothing to achieve whiteness, and yet it makes so many things appear to be “for me." I don’t want it to be like this anymore.

Edited by Harold falcon - 7/17/13 at 10:58am
post #4568 of 6250
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

Well, the ones that do so consistently are losing market share (and market value) as a rule, and they only seem to foam in a single direction, so either we should assume that they are so stupid that they don't realize that it isn't good for their ratings, or they are doing it because they are ideologues. With somebody like Fox, you could at least make the argument that at times their craziness has been for ratings rather than ideology, as they have, as a rule, increased the nuttier Fox has gotten, but I am not really going to give them the benefit of the doubt either.

MSNBC might not be winning in market share, but what about the total cable news viewership--cases like this make it bigger, right?

So is MSNBC getting more viewers even if they're not getting a greater share? I bet the answer's yes.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

MSNBC might not be winning in market share, but what about the total cable news viewership--cases like this make it bigger, right?

So is MSNBC getting more viewers even if they're not getting a greater share? I bet the answer's yes.

But their viewership is getting increasingly worthless. The cost to reach an MSNBC viewer is the lowest on cable, about half of the cost of reaching a Fox viewer, and adding more of those kinds of viewers might marginally increase revenue, but not much. And they don't keep them from big story to big story, which is a problem.

FWIW, I was talking more about the mouth breathers on the left who try to masquerade as straight news, not MSNBC.
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

But their viewership is getting increasingly worthless. The cost to reach an MSNBC viewer is the lowest on cable, about half of the cost of reaching a Fox viewer, and adding more of those kinds of viewers might marginally increase revenue, but not much. And they don't keep them from big story to big story, which is a problem.

You should have presented your market plan to my relative at the wedding.
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ell @FLGovScott to Pass the #TrayvonMartinAct

Right now the Dream Defenders, an anti-racist student group throughout Florida, is sitting-in on Florida Governor Rick Scott’s office.

They are demanding the governor call a special session of the legislature in order to end the Stand Your Ground Law and pass a Trayvon Martin Bill of Right. Check out their demands here.

Call and tweet at (@FLGovScott) governor Rick Scott and tell him you support the Dream Defenders and their call for a special session of the legislature.

I am trying to find the "Trayvon Martin Bill of Right." As soon as I find it I will post it in all its glory.
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However, on the whole, our criminal-justice system is so frightfully racist because it's too easy for prosecutors, not because it's too hard. Of course, in a racist society, rules that help defendants are going to help the most privileged defendants the most, and that's maddening. But that shouldn't stop us from recognising that the least privileged, the most oppressed, the most discriminated against, are far and away most likely to stand accused. That's why I suspect that a legal system making it harder for the likes of Mr Zimmerman to get away with it would be a system of even more outrageous racial inequity.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/07/trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmerman

Fucking duh.
post #4573 of 6250
The thing is, I don't really think the people wanting the SYG repealed are really talking about SYG. I haven't been hearing anyone speaking in favor of imposing a duty to retreat. The complaints seem to be aimed at the notion that you can claim to have "felt threatened" and shoot somebody, which is basically a reductio ad absurdum version the regular old self-defense portion of the law.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

I am trying to find the "Trayvon Martin Bill of Right." As soon as I find it I will post it in all its glory.

Was it really published as a ""Trayvon Martin Bill of Right.", singular?
post #4575 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Was it really published as a ""Trayvon Martin Bill of Right.", singular?

I take offense to that. I assure you, good sir, I do not edit the statements of the "We are not Trayvon Martin" people. They don't need any help from me to look like idiots.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

The thing is, I don't really think the people wanting the SYG repealed are really talking about SYG. I haven't been hearing anyone speaking in favor of imposing a duty to retreat. The complaints seem to be aimed at the notion that you can claim to have "felt threatened" and shoot somebody, which is basically a reductio ad absurdum version the regular old self-defense portion of the law.

Well the people talking about repealing SYG don't actually know what SYG is.
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