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I think it's telling that fuuma can only question my motivations and not my analysis.

If you read my posts early on in this case you might think I'm a psychic. Not to brag or anything. It took me a while to figure out what happened in the case, but it was obvious the media was distorting everything from pretty early on.
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Harvey: alcohol and ultra-liberalism has permanently severed some connections in his brain, he cannot seem to see anything but the specifics of a situation; no causes, no consequences, no social phenomenons, no group effect.


I have to admit, you're not wrong here.
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I'm not sure I'd conflate the "MSM"s position with those that would wish Zimmerman dead, if you're referencing earlier coverage (the dated pictures, white hispanic), I'd agree it was pure sensationalism and manipulation, this is less the case nowadays AFAIK (haven't followed closely to be honest). I'd equate the quality of opinions I read here with those on DU or whatever btw, I was appalled by the legal tunnel vision of most posters so their gloating at other sites is particularly sad.
While I have done a 180 degree turn in
my thinking since I started following the facts of this case and now feel that Zimmerman is almost as much a victim in this ridiculous circus as Martin I have to agree that this post is spot on . The juvenile finger pointing and cynical ridicule only seem to satisfy a need to point out how superior "we" are to " them" . This attitude is and has alway has been the source of racism and only serves to promote it
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I’m a Canadian Jewish female baby boomer who grew up in the shadow of the Holocaust. My parents drummed into my head that I should never judge anyone by their racial background, because this is how six million Jewish lives were taken. Moreover, I was taught that it is my duty to speak up - loudly - whenever I would see anyone being abused because of their race. And this is what I’ve always done.

But people see me differently. A chubby gray-haired woman wearing a hoodie with a logo of a famous Internet cat across the back is not typically perceived as a threat. Which is why I am speaking up for Trayvon, for every kid who’s been bullied, every domestic worker who’s had her rights abused, and so on. I have a certain cred because of my age, my race, and my education, which gave me the tools to express myself.

And I will continue to speak out as loudly as possible because, although I am not Trayvon Martin, I could have been Anne Frank.

The Canadians are killing it over there.
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I am not Trayvon Martin. I’m a fifty-one year old white woman who teaches high school in LA (that’s me dressing up for Retro Day). I have students who could have lost their lives this way. Students who have been belittled and marginalized because of the way they look and where they live. Students who regularly have to deal with racism — subtle and overt every single day. And every day at my school we work together to raise ourselves up, to reinforce in each other a sense of self-respect, hope for the future, a sense of connection to community. And then things like this happen. And I’m just not sure how we move forward, how I can help. How I can reassure young black men - and all my students — that their lives matter, that they have wide open futures, that they live in world that values who they are.

There is a Buddhist lineage called Shambhala, which I study; in this tradition, the time we are living in is known as the Dark Age – an age in which aggression, materialism, and ignorance abound. However, this is also a time in which the seeds of great change can be planted. A time in which Basic Goodness of humanity can be awakened so that we can create a society based on compassion and kindness.

I wish I could say something to the Martin family that would ease their pain. I am grateful for this opportunity to give them my condolences and to reach out to other people across the country who are as pained as I am about this young man’s death.

I am going to talk to my students about Trayvon’s death when schools starts in August. How that conversation will go, I can’t begin to guess. But it is a conversation that has to happen, and it has to keep happening all over our country.

A friend posted this from a friend’s blog (www.calvinsstory.com). It is from Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird. In it, Atticus Finch, a lawyer, speaks to his son, Jem, about the jury’s conviction of a young African America man who has just been found guilty of a crime he did not commit:

"Atticus—" said Jem bleakly.

He turned in the doorway. “What, son?"

"How could they do it, how could they?"

"I don’t know, but they did it. They’ve done it before and they did it tonight and they’ll do it again and when they do it—seems that only children weep. Good night.



Our tears can water the seeds of change.


Goddamnit that's genius, I wish I had thought of that line.
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I am not Trayvon Martin.


I am a white, cisgendered, bisexual woman who has to walk in fear because of discrimination against my sexual orientation. Not that I care or anything. But I care enough to know what’s biphobic and what’s not.

I am not Trayvon Martin.

But I could be. Not because of the color of my skin. But because I walk in fear every day that my rapists will one day find me and attack me again. That others will try to attack me. All because I am a woman. Do I always have to live in fear?

I am not Trayvon Martin. But my best friend, her fiance, and her son could be.

They are African American. My best friend and her fiance work full time. They don’t have all the money in the world, but they are trying. I was scared of her fiance at first, but realized he was a really kind and funny guy. They have a beautiful son who just turned one. I don’t want to watch him grow up to be killed at 17. I doubt they do either.

Where is the justice? Where is the security? Where is the safety? Why can’t we all love?
post #4462 of 6250
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While I have done a 180 degree turn in
my thinking since I started following the facts of this case and now feel that Zimmerman is almost as much a victim in this ridiculous circus as Martin I have to agree that this post is spot on . The juvenile finger pointing and cynical ridicule only seem to satisfy a need to point out how superior "we" are to " them" . This attitude is and has alway has been the source of racism and only serves to promote it

Speaking for myself, I can't stand anyone campaigning to imprison a man to prove a point. it's utterly loathsome to me and I have no respect for the opinion or feelings of anyone who does it.
post #4463 of 6250
Hope the seedlings of change are salt tolerant.
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It seems to me that it took a hell of a lot of people five seconds to decide that a white man had shot a young black child because he was a racist, and that as this narrative started to fall apart, they just pretended it didn't, changed their own definitions and plowed ahead. You may be right about the counter opinion existing, but the first I mention was the dominant opinion. I imagine that is what Bill meant, and I agree 100%.

Ataturk: would defend a shopkeeper shooting elementary schoolkids who stole some candies from his store. The deceased often happen to have had a tan and this certainly colour perception of them but I dunno if he's merely a rabid pro-gun/take the law into your own hand/society is going to hell let's kill the delinquents kinda moron or also a racist one. Doesn't matter.

Rnoldh: would rant about Jesse Jackson and race-baiting in a thread about jet skiing. I also hear he didn't like Bush II.

Harvey: alcohol and ultra-liberalism has permanently severed some connections in his brain, he cannot seem to see anything but the specifics of a situation; no causes, no consequences, no social phenomenons, no group effect.

kai: get off my lawn or I'll shoot you, justice!! Serves him right for being a gangbanger!!

just to take a few I noticed.

And then, there's Fuuma . . .
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Speaking for myself, I can't stand anyone campaigning to imprison a man to prove a point. it's utterly loathsome to me and I have no respect for the opinion or feelings of anyone who does it.

Legal tunnel vision!
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Speaking for myself, I can't stand anyone campaigning to imprison a man to prove a point. it's utterly loathsome to me and I have no respect for the opinion or feelings of anyone who does it.
You need to check you legal tunnel vision privilege.
post #4467 of 6250
MSM now reaping the harvest, after planting the seeds of race-hate. They're in the money . . .
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Harvey:, he cannot seem to see anything but the specifics of a situation; no causes, no consequences, no social phenomenons, no group effect.


Wow! Now you are starting to scare me. "Sorry Zimmerman. Even though you have an almost open and shut case of self defense you have become a "social phenomenon" and the "group effect" of this will be you getting the Chair."
post #4469 of 6250
In the beginning of all this I said this might not be a simple case of self defense based on available information at the time. I even went so far as to say that if this happened while Z was involved in an active pursuit he's most likely in legal hot water. Once the evidence was presented in court that bothersome detail became a non issue. Z was not actively chasing M around. Evidence indicated he broke off his chase when the dispatcher told him to and he was doing nothing but waiting for the police. M came back around and confronted Z, a fight broke out, M was on top of Z bashing his head into the concrete, saw a gun, went for it while threatening to kill Z, Z maintained control of the gun and used it to defend himself against what he perceived to be a legitimate and immediate threat of death. All three of the elements were present for Z to defend himself with lethal force.

I agree with his self defense case and so did the jury.

It wasn't based on race and I cannot see how anyone with a reasonably functioning mind and IQ could argue to the contrary.
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