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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

She has just received a full ride to the HBCU of her choice.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tom-joyner-offers-rachel-jeantel-a-full-scholarship-2013-7

First I'd seen a photo of her.

She may not need him to give a scholarship if Urban Meyer has been watching the testimony.
post #4442 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post


I thought I made that term up. It does sum up what a lot of people were saying but I had never seen anyone just come out and say it.

 

I've heard the term long ago.  In their native countries, mestizos (multi-generation white/native mixes) are the white people and that is how they refer to themselves.  Then they come to the US and literally get a rude awakening rotflmao.gif

post #4443 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Isn't this racist and another example of low expectations.

Why not offer her a full scholarship to any college she can get into?

Set the bar as high as possible, not as low.

Um, because she won't be safe from racist pedos gun humpers in the gungeon?
post #4444 of 6250
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

The real problem with this case is that further limits our ability to have an honest debate about race in this country.

LOL, re-read this thread and you'll see it is impossible to do so with so many people in denial that race could, in any way, influence anything.
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

LOL, re-read this thread and you'll see it is impossible to do so with so many people in denial that race could, in any way, influence anything.

Also examine the use of race in the MSM and amongst those that wish Zimmerman dead. While Martin's race certainly could have impacted facets of this whole mess the thought Zimmerman is a posterboy for Stormfront or a neoNazi is beyond ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Also examine the use of race in the MSM and amongst those that wish Zimmerman dead. While Martin's race certainly could have impacted facets of this whole mess the thought Zimmerman is a posterboy for Stormfront or a neoNazi is beyond ludicrous.

I'm not sure I'd conflate the "MSM"s position with those that would wish Zimmerman dead, if you're referencing earlier coverage (the dated pictures, white hispanic), I'd agree it was pure sensationalism and manipulation, this is less the case nowadays AFAIK (haven't followed closely to be honest). I'd equate the quality of opinions I read here with those on DU or whatever btw, I was appalled by the legal tunnel vision of most posters so their gloating at other sites is particularly sad.
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Oh come on Fuuma
post #4448 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I'm not sure I'd conflate the "MSM"s position with those that would wish Zimmerman dead, if you're referencing earlier coverage (the dated pictures, white hispanic), I'd agree it was pure sensationalism and manipulation, this is less the case nowadays AFAIK (haven't followed closely to be honest). I'd equate the quality of opinions I read here with those on DU or whatever btw, I was appalled by the legal tunnel vision of most posters so their gloating at other sites is particularly sad.

It's a legal case so I'm not sure why legal tunnel vision should appall you. I've made sure to disambiguate my thoughts between the wisdom and/or ethical nature of Zimmerman's actions between the legal implications, but in regards to the verdict, it's apropos to focus on the legal. I think our local lawyers really helped me understand the various legal aspects of the case. I really think it's a huge insult to equate what I've seen our legal people post here with the sub-moronic things I've seen posted on the DU echo chamber.

What is more appalling to you? That a person thinks race was probably not a factor to a very minor factor, given the extensive investigational anal probe Zimmerman has undergone from so many agencies, from the FBI and DoJ to the MSM, and they've come up with nothing or the person that is so invested race is the answer here they are convinced Zimmerman, 50% Jewish and 50% Peruvian, is a white supremacist?
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Oh come on Fuuma

I fail to see how calling for bukkake advances the discussion
post #4450 of 6250
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Oh come on Fuuma

C'mon what? I took most posters here 5 sec to decide what happened, why it happened and that Martin (with no criminal record and some school suspensions) was a dangerous bum up to no good while Zimmerman (two run ins with the police) was heroically protecting his neighborhood. Martin is a druggie (he smoked pot you see) while Zimmerman is def ok even with those prescription drugs. Martin was physically imposing at 5'11 160lbs (the 6'2" is from his family not the autopsy) while Zimmerman was physically weak at 5'8 185 lbs etc. I'm not saying interpreting things as some innocent teen and dangerous racist killer is better but I know a pre-determined and absurdly stupid angle when I see one.

Pio: just in case, our opinion on this do not align perfectly but they're relatively compatible.
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

C'mon what? I took most posters here 5 sec to decide what happened, why it happened and that Martin (with no criminal record and some school suspensions) was a dangerous bum up to no good while Zimmerman (two run ins with the police) was heroically protecting his neighborhood. Martin is a druggie (he smoked pot you see) while Zimmerman is def ok even with those prescription drugs. Martin was physically imposing at 5'11 160lbs (the 6'2" is from his family not the autopsy) while Zimmerman was physically weak at 5'8 185 lbs etc. I'm not saying interpreting things as some innocent teen and dangerous racist killer is better but I know a pre-determined and absurdly stupid angle when I see one.

Pio: just in case, our opinion on this do not align perfectly but they're relatively compatible.

Gotta run for a meeting but agreed we're probably pretty close in this. However, go skim the first 100 posts or so. I think you're not giving some folks here enough credit.
post #4452 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

C'mon what? I took most posters here 5 sec to decide what happened, why it happened and that Martin (with no criminal record and some school suspensions) was a dangerous bum up to no good while Zimmerman (two run ins with the police) was heroically protecting his neighborhood. Martin is a druggie (he smoked pot you see) while Zimmerman is def ok even with those prescription drugs. Martin was physically imposing at 5'11 160lbs (the 6'2" is from his family not the autopsy) while Zimmerman was physically weak at 5'8 185 lbs etc. I'm not saying interpreting things as some innocent teen and dangerous racist killer is better but I know a pre-determined and absurdly stupid angle when I see one.
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I re read the first few pages of this the other day and, if anything, most people (myself included) were jumping to the conclusion that Zimmerman was guilty of something. Even Ataturk held off for a while before rejecting it.
post #4453 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

C'mon what? I took most posters here 5 sec to decide what happened, why it happened and that Martin (with no criminal record and some school suspensions) was a dangerous bum up to no good while Zimmerman (two run ins with the police) was heroically protecting his neighborhood. Martin is a druggie (he smoked pot you see) while Zimmerman is def ok even with those prescription drugs. Martin was physically imposing at 5'11 160lbs (the 6'2" is from his family not the autopsy) while Zimmerman was physically weak at 5'8 185 lbs etc. I'm not saying interpreting things as some innocent teen and dangerous racist killer is better but I know a pre-determined and absurdly stupid angle when I see one.

Pio: just in case, our opinion on this do not align perfectly but they're relatively compatible.

It seems to me that it took a hell of a lot of people five seconds to decide that a white man had shot a young black child because he was a racist, and that as this narrative started to fall apart, they just pretended it didn't, changed their own definitions and plowed ahead. You may be right about the counter opinion existing, but the first I mention was the dominant opinion. I imagine that is what Bill meant, and I agree 100%.
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I can't speak for other posters, I only commented after the case was closed but it's hard to argue with the facts.
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

It seems to me that it took a hell of a lot of people five seconds to decide that a white man had shot a young black child because he was a racist, and that as this narrative started to fall apart, they just pretended it didn't, changed their own definitions and plowed ahead. You may be right about the counter opinion existing, but the first I mention was the dominant opinion. I imagine that is what Bill meant, and I agree 100%.

Ataturk: would defend a shopkeeper shooting elementary schoolkids who stole some candies from his store. The deceased often happen to have had a tan and this certainly colour perception of them but I dunno if he's merely a rabid pro-gun/take the law into your own hand/society is going to hell let's kill the delinquents kinda moron or also a racist one. Doesn't matter.

Rnoldh: would rant about Jesse Jackson and race-baiting in a thread about jet skiing. I also hear he didn't like Bush II.

Harvey: alcohol and ultra-liberalism has permanently severed some connections in his brain, he cannot seem to see anything but the specifics of a situation; no causes, no consequences, no social phenomenons, no group effect.

kai: get off my lawn or I'll shoot you, justice!! Serves him right for being a gangbanger!!

just to take a few I noticed.
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