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post #4351 of 6250
OMG! I'm hooked now. In 30 seconds, I found these gems.

Jeantel was
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She was funny, witty, very caring and savvy. And honest. Quite a young woman!

On a thread about Zimmerman's attorney saying the prosecutor was a disgrace and committed multiple Brady Violations,
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Pot meet kettle

Apparently Zimmerman is also a pedophile and child molester. It obviously makes sense because Zimmerman is a murderer too.
post #4352 of 6250
Sixteen year old unarmed African-American boy killed by 4 police officers for staying in movie theater for second showing without buying a ticket.

The media is going to go crazy on this one. Talk about civil unrest and no justice, no peace.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/aide-to-man-with-down-syndrome-who-died-in-theater-had-warned-police-report-says/2013/07/15/1243b7b8-ed95-11e2-bed3-b9b6fe264871_allComments.html?ctab=all_&
post #4353 of 6250
I listened to Hardball on the radio this afternoon on my way home from work.

I started for the lolz, but in the end it was depressing.

I don't want to, but I can't help gravitating towards the point of view that this case shows that we do in fact have a long, long way to go in race relations in America, though it's in the opposite direction of what they're spouting on MSNBC. They had someone on today talking about how the number of black men in jail is proof that we live under a white supremacist regime. He said that this new, can't remember exactly what he called the "new" state of affairs, but he called it worse and more insidious than Jim Crow racism, which pales in comparison to what we have now. And Chris Matthews couldn't get enough of cupping this guy's balls and slobbering all over him to agree on the air. Paired with what I have been seeing on FB from decent people I thought I knew, leads me to believe there is still a deep, deep anger and distrust that I don't know what I could ever do to assuage.
post #4354 of 6250
Here's one the media won't go crazy about,

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/police-mableton-fatal-assault-not-racially-motivat/nYpGG/

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The deadly assault of a Mableton man has become a national story, at least online, with several web sites and blogs claiming Joshua Chellew was killed because he was white.
Initially reported as a hit-and-run, police now say Chellew died June 30 after an attack by four black teenagers in Cobb County.
According to the arrest warrant, the 36-year-old victim was repeatedly punched and kicked by the youths outside a Chevron gas station. Chellew, badly beaten, eventually stumbled onto Mableton Parkway, where he was run over. He died at Grady Memorial Hospital.
Witnesses told police that the four suspects made no attempt to aid Chellew or stop the approaching vehicle that hit him. The driver of that car was not charged, said Cobb Police Sgt. Dana Pierce.


I doubt Holder and the Justice Dept have any interest in this case.

If there were white equivalents of Al and Jesse this would be a heck of a case to stir up.
post #4355 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Sixteen year old unarmed African-American boy killed by 4 police officers for staying in movie theater for second showing without buying a ticket.

The media is going to go crazy on this one. Talk about civil unrest and no justice, no peace.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/aide-to-man-with-down-syndrome-who-died-in-theater-had-warned-police-report-says/2013/07/15/1243b7b8-ed95-11e2-bed3-b9b6fe264871_allComments.html?ctab=all_&

He was WHITE!!!!!!!

An autopsy report said that Saylor did not like to be touched and suddenly the deputies had their hands on him. The 294-pound man flailed, cursed and cried for his mother, according to witness accounts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/aide-to-man-with-down-syndrome-who-died-in-theater-had-warned-police-report-says/2013/07/15/1243b7b8-ed95-11e2-bed3-b9b6fe264871_story.html

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"crying for his mother"!!! Can you imagine if Saylor was a black man with Down Syndrome and this happened? There would be riots.
post #4356 of 6250
Fuck the fucking fucks. That is horrible.
post #4357 of 6250
All these stories are tragedies ..

Zimmerman got away with it ...Does it mean all white people are racist???

Some black thugs assaulted a disabled man who got killed afterwards . Does it make all black people racist ???

It is scary when seemingly reasonable and educated people start making such polarized statements escaping rational thinking.

Let's hope things will settle down and come back to a more mature approach to race relations.
post #4358 of 6250
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He was WHITE!!!!!!!

An autopsy report said that Saylor did not like to be touched and suddenly the deputies had their hands on him. The 294-pound man flailed, cursed and cried for his mother, according to witness accounts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/aide-to-man-with-down-syndrome-who-died-in-theater-had-warned-police-report-says/2013/07/15/1243b7b8-ed95-11e2-bed3-b9b6fe264871_story.html

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"crying for his mother"!!! Can you imagine if Saylor was a black man with Down Syndrome and this happened? There would be riots.


That was my point. Read my summary, and wait for the riots. Learn he was "only" a white man with Down's Syndrome, and all is quiet.
post #4359 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

I listened to Hardball on the radio this afternoon on my way home from work.

I started for the lolz, but in the end it was depressing.

I don't want to, but I can't help gravitating towards the point of view that this case shows that we do in fact have a long, long way to go in race relations in America, though it's in the opposite direction of what they're spouting on MSNBC. They had someone on today talking about how the number of black men in jail is proof that we live under a white supremacist regime. He said that this new, can't remember exactly what he called the "new" state of affairs, but he called it worse and more insidious than Jim Crow racism, which pales in comparison to what we have now. And Chris Matthews couldn't get enough of cupping this guy's balls and slobbering all over him to agree on the air. Paired with what I have been seeing on FB from decent people I thought I knew, leads me to believe there is still a deep, deep anger and distrust that I don't know what I could ever do to assuage.


A self-imposed slavery. And no one wants to hinder the race-hate industry. Too much money to be made.
post #4360 of 6250
A great discussion on provocation and self-defense:

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/16/provocation-and-self-defense/
post #4361 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

A great discussion on provocation and self-defense:

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/16/provocation-and-self-defense/

That is quite good. Thanks.
post #4362 of 6250
I have been trying to wrap my head around this entire phenomenon for a few days. Tons of people that I once thought were rational have been falling for the "justice for Trayvon" noise. As far as I can tell, the narrative was established (racist white man, "gated community", black child, shot down in the street, racial profiling) was so good that as it started to fall apart, people were so far into it that they couldn't bear the idea of backing out. Some of them could be handled with rationalizations (Zimmerman is "white enough") or changing the definitions of words (innocent child = pugnacious 17 year old).

But there is some stuff that you just can't ignore. Like Zimmerman's injuries. Like the timeline. How do you get past those and say that you have no reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was a murderer?

The trial was brutal for these people. Now almost all of them are saying "The prosecution fucked this up (maybe on purpose because racism) and should have just charged him with manslaughter." But if you look at what they were saying before the trial, most of them were screaming murder.

By the end people who couldn't just pretend that their imagination trumped evidence were reduced to saying that he should be prosecuted for getting out of the car. That Trayvon was 'scared' and therefore had the right to lash out physically AND deliver a brutal beating. The implication made here is that approaching a black teenager creates an unreasonable likelihood that he will viciously attack you. How exactly this is less racist than presuming Zimmerman's innocence is something I can't fully fathom.

I don't really have a political ideology, but seeing how every liberal is on roughly the same page on this made me think that I might have become a right winger. I tried reading National Review and Free Republic and found that they were right on in all the Zimmerman stuff but that I still didn't agree in most other areas. Even liberals that I have always thought were the opposite of kool-aid drinkers, like David Simon and the writers of the Daily Show, somehow watched that trial and thought that the evidence was strong enough to send this guy to prison.

I'm sure I have blind spots. No doubt someone could find something that I believe in contrary to the evidence. But I really hope that it's something good, like reason or science or human kindness, not that a specific man should be imprisoned as a symbol of everything I hate. That's just sick.
post #4363 of 6250
Here, I found the Hardball clip. Listening on the radio, I thought these two guys were the same person in the intro, so I thought the filmmaker was also an Obama advisor. Relieved to hear that's not the case.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/vp/52483419#52483419

Anyway, the salient point was that we are living under "eighth degree black belt racism" but Jim Crow was just "yellow belt racism."

Good stuff.
post #4364 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

The trial was brutal for these people. Now almost all of them are saying "The prosecution fucked this up (maybe on purpose because racism) and should have just charged him with manslaughter."

I'm not even hearing that. Not hearing it on MSNBC, either.
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

I'm not even hearing that. Not hearing it on MSNBC, either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023268542

Welcome to Retard Hell. Enjoy your stay.
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