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post #4336 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

They also said that it was fairly clear that Zimmerman ought to have been ruled not guilty under the law, so I'm not sure how that rolls with the spin.

You can be "irrationally" in fear for your life (as you put it) and be found not guilty.

For example, someone is verbally threatening you and puts his hand in his pocket in a way that looks like he is going to pull out a weapon and fulfill his threats.

As long as one could believe it may be a weapon about to be brandished, you would have a case of self defense, even if he was pulling out, say, a cell phone to record the incident.

It could have been a gun/knife/other weapon and if his action was consistent with his threats, you could use lethal force to protect yourself.

Just the fact of there being a violent physical altercation between two relatively grown men is enough for justified self defense. (I know he was 17, but have you seen kids these days?)

Especially since his head was being bashed into the ground, thats serious damage, not a mutual combat situation. People who do that aren't going to stop with a simple ass whooping.
post #4337 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I've seen the original chart with the original caption. So I know I'm right.

Although I apparently had the wrong source for the info the chart is based on.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/

post #4338 of 6250
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Originally Posted by landshark View Post

You can be "irrationally" in fear for your life (as you put it) and be found not guilty.

For example, someone is verbally threatening you and puts his hand in his pocket in a way that looks like he is going to pull out a weapon and fulfill his threats.

The word is reasonable, and your fear can't be unreasonable if you want a successful self-defense claim.

An honest but unreasonable fear would give you what's called imperfect self-defense, which usually takes your culpability down from murder to some kind of manslaughter.
post #4339 of 6250
This is interesting,

When the six jury members in the George Zimmerman trial went in for deliberation, three were for acquittal, one was for second-degree murder and two were for the manslaughter charge, one of those jury members told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Monday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/15/anderson-cooper-zimmerman-juror/2519569/
post #4340 of 6250
I think we need to respect the justice system and respect the verdict. The jury has spoken. He's not guilty under the law. Huh, not the OJ case? Well then, this is OUTRAGEOUS! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!


Robert Zimmerman, Jr. is bitch-slapping the race mongers on Greta.
post #4341 of 6250
Interview with the juror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrpp4SODBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdoQWJLkJow

I don't think she mentions the burden of proof once. That's too bad...
post #4342 of 6250
According to his brother and his attorneys, the 40 or so ppl interviewed during the FBI investigation revealed that Georgie took a black woman to prom and was also mentoring two black children...

It is clear that George has been planning this crime for some time.

In unrelated news, the work van driven by a small business owner I saw in West Palm several months ago is now wishing that 10 years ago he took the advice of the friend who wasn't suggesting name "Zimmerman Plumbing."
post #4343 of 6250
On CNN, Anderson Cooper 360, Mark Geragos is saying that "demographics " was key to this case, and it was over when the jury was picked!

Gee, that sounds like some guy that posts here on SF

I'll try to find Gerago's comments on Youtube later.
post #4344 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Interview with the juror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrpp4SODBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdoQWJLkJow

I don't think she mentions the burden of proof once. That's too bad...


She says she was impacted by Serino's comments on Zimmerman's credibility. People are going to seize on that.
post #4345 of 6250
I really think someone should council Rachel Jeantel to get a handler. I do not think she realizes people are laughing at her, not with her. I understand she probably feels her media appearances today are some kind of pay back or getting even with Zimmerman but she's doing herself no favours.
post #4346 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I really think someone should council Rachel Jeantel to get a handler. I do not think she realizes people are laughing at her, not with her. I understand she probably feels her media appearances today are some kind of pay back or getting even with Zimmerman but she's doing herself no favours.

Isn't she on Piers Morgan tonight.

She's probably getting an "appearance" fee or at the least "expenses".

Many are cashing in on the tragedy, why shouldn't she.

I fully agree that she needs a handler, and people are laughing but if she is making some $$$, then C'est la vie.

Whatever anyone thinks of her, she does not seem affluent to say the least.

The Rev Al S would be a good handler, if he had the time. She could appear on his show and probably be good for his ratings, given his target audience, and those that would watch for the SNL aspect. And who's better at the "game" than him?

PS:Here she is on CNN, http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-trial-jeantel/
post #4347 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

She says she was impacted by Serino's comments on Zimmerman's credibility. People are going to seize on that.

Ehh. I don't know how much of Serino's testimony was stricken, but I think it was just the part where he said he thought Zimmerman was telling the truth. I think he was still allowed to testify to the various reasons he thought Zimmerman was credible. Witness comments on others' veracity are a tricky subject.
post #4348 of 6250
No...no, must resist sharing the alternate universe I've found...
post #4349 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

No...no, must resist sharing the alternate universe I've found...

Assuming you're talking about DU. it's addictive but unhealthy. I don't ever need to read "if he had just stayed in his car..." one more time I think I'm going to be sick.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Assuming you're talking about DU. it's addictive but unhealthy. I don't ever need to read "if he had just stayed in his car..." one more time I think I'm going to be sick.

Everything from abolishing the jury system to shooting Zimmerman on sight (as that's how SYG works apparently) to the jury being all racists Floridians (never mind two or three had just moved there) to the "gungeon" to forcing defendants to testify to....
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