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post #4216 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Surprised this case is getting so little attention: http://newsone.com/2103331/jordan-davis-michael-dunn-first-degree-murder/

Not really surprised.

Ms. Alexander, as I understand the facts, had a restraining order against the husband and in any case fired only a warning shot. How she got 20 years is utterly beyond me.

Ta Nehisi Coates posted a transcript of some of the jury instructions in the Zimmerman case. The judge did refer to standing one's ground.
post #4217 of 6250
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Originally Posted by philosophe View Post

Not really surprised.

Ms. Alexander, as I understand the facts, had a restraining order against the husband and in any case fired only a warning shot. How she got 20 years is utterly beyond me.

The way I remember it, that case is not nearly as simple as the rabblerousers try to make it sound. The husband didn't say it was a warning shot...
post #4218 of 6250
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Gray explained how the events unfolded in the August 2010 shooting and its mandatory sentencing Friday that have drawn national attention since the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case.
He said it was Alexander, 31, who first began punching him after he confronted her about some text messages she had sent to her ex-husband.
Listen: Rico Gray's 911 call the night of the incident
Listen: Rico Gray's second 911 call
Gray said he put his hands up in defense "buying time" for his two sons to gather their belongings so he could take them and leave. But when he made the remark that their newborn baby must be fathered by her ex-husband, he said she immediately stopped.
"She said, 'I got something for your — —,' and walked away," Gray said. "I knew exactly what she was going to do."
Gray said she went to the garage, to her truck, to get her gun and then returned back inside the home. He said the garage door that she claimed was inoperable worked for him earlier that morning and later that day with no trouble.
"When she came back inside, the first thing I saw was her putting one [a bullet] in the chamber," he said.
Gray said by the time his kids had come to his side to leave, she had the gun pointed at him.
"As soon as I took my eyes off Marissa, that's when I heard the gunshot," Gray said.
He said he never looked back, grabbing the children and running out of the house and down the street.
Alexander was charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. A judge denied her immunity in a Stand Your Ground hearing in 2011. In March a jury took just 12 minutes to find her guilty.


Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-05-16/story/marissa-alexanders-husband-says-it-was-her-violent-nature-led-shooting#ixzz2Z8N3OKni
post #4219 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

LOL, some HuffPo article has folks elsewhere convinced the judge gave instructions that were flawed (having to do with self-defense) and they are now waiting for a mistrial to be declared...even though that is legally impossible. Oh, and the judge was biased against the prosecution.

Legally impossible, so what?

It is quite obvious that Nelson and Corey were defense leaning racist pigs that were biased against the prosecution.

I await a tweet copy from HB to show you that is how many on the left feel.

Next, HuffPo will probably have an article pointing out that Holder is a self loathing black man that doesn't have the cajones to get justice for Trayvon.

Justice to Z should have been meted out by Trayvon's peers Al and Jesse ( fellow thugs though the opposite side of the thug coin ).

PS: Think of the above rant as a right wing Bill Maher/Chris Mathews type of thing. Stuff like this rant or theirs is total BS, be it from the right or from the left. It is sad the 17 year old kid is dead! Channeling the late Joseph Stalin, the death of one kid is a tragedy, the death of thousands is a statistic ( Chicago Anyone? ).
post #4220 of 6250
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Originally Posted by philosophe View Post

Not really surprised.

Ms. Alexander, as I understand the facts, had a restraining order against the husband and in any case fired only a warning shot. How she got 20 years is utterly beyond me.

Ta Nehisi Coates posted a transcript of some of the jury instructions in the Zimmerman case. The judge did refer to standing one's ground.

Two minutes of reading an article and it's pretty clear how she got 20 years. She apparently ran out to the garage and got the gun then returned into the house to confront her ex. The judge ruled SYG immunity does not cover this as instead of simply exiting the garage when went back into the house to confront. So now that SYG immunity is gone she's up for aggravated assault with a weapon. Current Florida law says it's a minimum 20 years if convicted of aggravated assault and discharging a firearm in the act. She was apparently offered three years on a plea deal but turned it down.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57434757-504083/fla-woman-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/
post #4221 of 6250
Oh, yeah, the rest of the story.

The woman initially got the husband to say she wasn't shooting at him. He did, the charges were dropped (or not pursued), and they got back together, but got back to fighting. She ended up getting convicted of battery in the second fight.

The jury obviously found him credible notwithstanding his change in story.
post #4222 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Two minutes of reading an article and it's pretty clear how she got 20 years. She apparently ran out to the garage and got the gun then returned into the house to confront her ex. The judge ruled SYG immunity does not cover this as instead of simply exiting the garage when went back into the house to confront. So now that SYG immunity is gone she's up for aggravated assault with a weapon. Current Florida law says it's a minimum 20 years if convicted of aggravated assault and discharging a firearm in the act. She was apparently offered three years on a plea deal but turned it down.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57434757-504083/fla-woman-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/

Mandatory minimums are idiotic and this is an example of why.

As for the big difference between this and Zimmerman: there were witnesses here. We can spill a gallon of ink over the situation but the fact is the state didn't have any evidence against Zimmerman and that's why he walked. I don't see how people can be so blind to that fact.
post #4223 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Mandatory minimums are idiotic and this is an example of why.

As for the big difference between this and Zimmerman: there were witnesses here. We can spill a gallon of ink over the situation but the fact is the state didn't have any evidence against Zimmerman and that's why he walked. I don't see how people can be so blind to that fact.

I wasn't commenting on the status of mandatory minimums but just pointing out the relevant law.

And in other news I just read the sequester is part of why Zimmerman was found not guilty. facepalm.gif
post #4224 of 6250
President's statement:
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"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin."

Not sure if you can classify a shooting that a jury said was self-defense as "gun violence."
post #4225 of 6250
Here we go again. Another call for more gun legislation and bans. Why am I not surprised?
post #4226 of 6250
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

President's statement:
Not sure if you can classify a shooting that a jury said was self-defense as "gun violence."

It's a bit disingenuous but it's hard to argue that Zimmerman did place himself in a situation he did not need to and the result was he killed an unarmed teenager with a gun.
post #4227 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I wasn't commenting on the status of mandatory minimums but just pointing out the relevant law.

I know. I just hate mandatory minimums and that's a perfect example of why. But the implication that people are using the case for, that a person convicted of a crime getting more punishment than someone acquitted of a crime is an injustice, is completely ludicrous.
post #4228 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

It's a bit disingenuous but it's hard to argue that Zimmerman did place himself in a situation he did not need to and the result was he killed an unarmed teenager with a gun.

What did he really do, though? He walked 80 yards to see where Trayvon went after he ran off. The worst thing you can really accuse him of based on the evidence is being nosy and kind of dumb.
post #4229 of 6250
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Originally Posted by philosophe View Post

Not really surprised.

Ms. Alexander, as I understand the facts, had a restraining order against the husband and in any case fired only a warning shot. How she got 20 years is utterly beyond me.

Ta Nehisi Coates posted a transcript of some of the jury instructions in the Zimmerman case. The judge did refer to standing one's ground.
Really? Would you post that? It makes no sense since Zimmerman didn't make that claim. In any case, even if the Judge mentioned it, it is still impossible to see how anyone paying attention to the case could think it was a factor. But I suppose I should wait to see how the Judge used it.


Edit:Never mind. I found it. The Judge was speaking English (or trying) and not referring to the "Stand Your Ground" law. It was standard "no duty to retreat" language. If people have a beef with that, they must mean that you should be obligated to retreat from danger if possible rather than defend yourself.

BTW, the Coates piece is seriously unhinged. He acknowledges that Zimmerman should have been acquitted but concludes with this anyway:
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When you have a society that takes at its founding the hatred and degradation of a people, when that society inscribes that degradation in its most hallowed document, and continues to inscribe hatred in its laws and policies, it is fantastic to believe that its citizens will derive no ill messaging.

It is painful to say this: Trayvon Martin is not a miscarriage of American justice, but American justice itself. This is not our system malfunctioning. It is our system working as intended. To expect our juries, our schools, our police to single-handedly correct for this, is to look at the final play in the final minute of the final quarter and wonder why we couldn't come back from twenty-four down.

Edited by dopey - 7/15/13 at 10:56am
post #4230 of 6250
On the Marissa Alexander case:

http://www.letstalkaboutit.info/2012/05/different-views-on-marissa-alexanders_11.html

Lots of good evidence there, including a picture of the bullet hole, which is obviously not in the ceiling (despite what some people are claiming).
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