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post #3916 of 6250
Ugh.

They really should tell jurors at the beginning that after they're charged no one is going to answer their questions.
post #3917 of 6250
Also, for all we know there's just one holdout for manslaughter at this point. She might give up when the judge refuses to answer her question...
post #3918 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Yeah I don't really know. I've never seen a hung jury before. I would imagine that in a case like this, where a second trial is unlikely, the judge would make them at least deliberate the better part of a week, but I couldn't say that with any authority.

As for Allen charges, I don't know if Florida uses them or not. I think they are mainly a Federal thing that most states don't use.

What makes you think that Florida would not spend more money in the event of an hung jury.

Pio has predicted manslaughter, and I predicted a hung jury. I've also said the most important factor in the jury decision is not evidence but the juries demographics.

If the retrial, if there is one, has a jury with different demographics the state would have a good chance of winning and no chance of losing to an acquittal.
post #3919 of 6250
Nelson is going to hammer him.

But yes, FLA does use an Allen Charge equivalent.
post #3920 of 6250
The county is only 10% black. The prosecutors were lucky to get one this time around.
post #3921 of 6250
In any event, an Allen-type charge isn't usually considered unless the jury reports they are deadlocked. If they feel like they are still deliberating constructively the court will gemerally let them keep at it. And a few days really isn't that long to deliberate after a multi-week homicide trial. Especially when the jurors probably feel some pressure to demonstrate their thoughtfulness and thoroughness by not returning a verdict too quickly even if they are all in agreement from the outset.
post #3922 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Also, for all we know there's just one holdout for manslaughter at this point. She might give up when the judge refuses to answer her question...

I believe the Judge will re-read the instruction on Manslaughter again. I do not know if she will read the instructions in their entirety or just Manslaughter.
post #3923 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The county is only 10% black. The prosecutors were lucky to get one this time around.

IT'S ONLY 10% BLACK BECAUSE RACIST GUN HUMPERS CAN KILL! /du

Okay, I officially give up lurking there.
post #3924 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Ugh.

They really should tell jurors at the beginning that after they're charged no one is going to answer their questions.

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Also, for all we know there's just one holdout for manslaughter at this point. She might give up when the judge refuses to answer her question...

Don't the jury instructions clearly lay out the charges and their meaning?

And Nelson has bended rules before. If she were to answer a question would that be grounds for reversible appeal?
post #3925 of 6250
I have a feeling that the question about manslaughter is probably an attempt to address the whole issue of whether or not George getting out the car makes him culpable. And I think Ataturk is right and we are talking about 1 or 2 people who refuse to rule out manslaughter.
post #3926 of 6250
I'm really intrigued that at least two of you attorneys think acquittal is even a chance much less the most likely verdict. I just don't see it.
post #3927 of 6250
I don't know shit about this juries, but juries usually take their role pretty seriously. The only people who still want a conviction either didn't watch the trial or wanted a lynching back when this started. I can't see 6 people being convinced that the state proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt.
post #3928 of 6250
Lawyers have no special insight into the thought process of juries. But, yeah, like munchausen said, I like to think they're not stupid.

Then again, I saw it reported that one of the jurors was crying during Guy's obnoxious rebuttal closing...
post #3929 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Lawyers have no special insight into the thought process of juries. But, yeah, like munchausen said, I like to think they're not stupid.

Then again, I saw it reported that one of the jurors was crying during Guy's obnoxious rebuttal closing...

I read that too but thought it was an alternate?
post #3930 of 6250
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Don't the jury instructions clearly lay out the charges and their meaning?

And Nelson has bended rules before. If she were to answer a question would that be grounds for reversible appeal?

I don't know for sure. I don't think I've ever seen a juror's question about the law or the facts of the case answered with anything other than "You have all the instructions you will get. Please continue your deliberations."
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