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post #3871 of 6250
What there oughtta be a law about is not heeding a 911 dispatcher's suggestions.
post #3872 of 6250
Yeah, the stupidity of people in this case is unreal. That being said is it any wonder that some of the bigger picture problems in the US have been allowed to happen?
post #3873 of 6250
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Yeah, the stupidity of people in this case is unreal. That being said is it any wonder that some of the bigger picture problems in the US have been allowed to happen?

It's just tribalism. A win here is a win for their team. If the facts were the other way there would be idiots defending Zimmerman with logic just as specious.
post #3874 of 6250
What really sucks is I think Zimmerman was completely in the wrong but obviously not the person DU idiots are making him out to be. I mean you're reading those people too and it's really disturbing what those idiots believe.
post #3875 of 6250
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They're not the same. Stop acting like they are.

I never said they were the same. There was solid evidence John White committed a pretty heinous murder, and the prosecutors never even tried to prosecute him for it.
post #3876 of 6250
I think he was a hot head and probably should have minded his own business. And I think it's within the realm of possibility that, say, Zimmerman approached with his gun drawn, Trayvon retaliated and got the jump on him, and so on and so forth, leading to a manslaughter. There's just no evidence.

I don't think he's culpable, morally or otherwise, for watching out for his neighborhood, even to the extent of following some kid down the street. And I don't think he's culpable for carrying a gun. If things happened more or less the way he said they did, then I don't think he's culpable at all. Maybe he should have tried talking to Trayvon, asking him what he was doing, but that is just a mistake. That doesn't make him a bad person.
post #3877 of 6250
During the call, Zimmerman said "shit, he's running," and you don't hear the sound of wind in his phone for a solid 15 seconds. If Martin runs half as fast as I do (not very fast), he would have been well around the corner of that "T" and out of sight before then. This idea that Martin saw Zimmmerman chasing him (on foot, at least) is not supported by any evidence.
post #3878 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

I think he was a hot head and probably should have minded his own business. And I think it's within the realm of possibility that, say, Zimmerman approached with his gun drawn, Trayvon retaliated and got the jump on him, and so on and so forth, leading to a manslaughter. There's just no evidence.

I don't think he's culpable, morally or otherwise, for watching out for his neighborhood, even to the extent of following some kid down the street. And I don't think he's culpable for carrying a gun. If things happened more or less the way he said they did, then I don't think he's culpable at all. Maybe he should have tried talking to Trayvon, asking him what he was doing, but that is just a mistake. That doesn't make him a bad person.

I don't think he's a bad person but I do think when you're a civilian packing that your primary duty is to avoid confrontations not put yourself into situations that are about guaranteed to cause some kind of confrontation. This is certainly not to say he's guilty of a legal crime, but as I've been saying, I think arming yourself carries some extra duties to it. I am pretty sure if he'd only been carrying mace and a baton he probably would have kept well clear of Martin.
post #3879 of 6250
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I don't think he's a bad person but I do think when you're a civilian packing that your primary duty is to avoid confrontations not put yourself into situations that are about guaranteed to cause some kind of confrontation. This is certainly not to say he's guilty of a legal crime, but as I've been saying, I think arming yourself carries some extra duties to it. I am pretty sure if he'd only been carrying mace and a baton he probably would have kept well clear of Martin.

There's a difference between being cautious and having a "duty" to do something. Zimmerman had no legal duty to act any differently when carrying a gun as he did without it.

And I find it hard to believe Zimmerman would have let Martin beat on him for a solid minute if Zimmerman was conscious of the gun the whole time.
post #3880 of 6250
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There's a difference between being cautious and having a "duty" to do something. Zimmerman had no legal duty to act any differently when carrying a gun as he did without it.

And I find it hard to believe Zimmerman would have let Martin beat on him for a solid minute if Zimmerman was conscious of the gun the whole time.

I did not say "legal duty" I just said "duty." A duty can be something other than legal (heresy to you lawyers I know).
post #3881 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I don't think he's a bad person but I do think when you're a civilian packing that your primary duty is to avoid confrontations not put yourself into situations that are about guaranteed to cause some kind of confrontation. This is certainly not to say he's guilty of a legal crime, but as I've been saying, I think arming yourself carries some extra duties to it. I am pretty sure if he'd only been carrying mace and a baton he probably would have kept well clear of Martin.

We tell this to people all the time. You are far better off to learn how to evade and avoid a situation altogether versus being involved in a self defense conflict. This is something I keep in my mind's eye at all times when carrying. I mind my manors and if I see something that looks troublesome when out and about I avoid it.
post #3882 of 6250
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If an Afro-American teenager cannot walk home without being profiled stalked, called 'the suspect', attacked and shot in the heart and the paranoid racist, pathological liar and wanna be cop can walk, forget every discussion about post-racial America.
Zimmerman is guilty
post #3883 of 6250
So I click on CNN.com and I see in gigantic letters:

JURY BACK

And then... AT WORK

Idiots.
post #3884 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

So I click on CNN.com and I see in gigantic letters:

JURY BACK

And then... AT WORK

Idiots.
post #3885 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

So I click on CNN.com and I see in gigantic letters:

JURY BACK

And then... AT WORK

Idiots.



Gotta love the still screen from the video too.
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