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post #3646 of 6250
I think he still gets acquitted. Murder or manslaughter doesn't make much of a difference; you either believe his self defense case or you don't .
post #3647 of 6250
Ju
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

How the hell can do they have the knowledge and therefore authority to decide a different charge if it wasn't presented and broken down for them?
Jurors often aren't presented with the legal standards they are supposed to apply until after the close of evidence and after the closing arguments. During the trial they are just supposed to focus on understanding the facts presented.
The bigger issue, as Harvey has said several times, is whether the defense would be unfairly prejudiced because they would have presented a different case if they had known from the outset that the lesser charges would be at issue. That can be a tricky question and the subject of a lot of gamesmanship. On ine hand, the defense certainly knew of that possibility from the outset and factored it into their strategy, so claims of unfair surprise would be somewhat exaggerated. On the other hand, they still had to make tactical choices based on what was actually on the table, so it really can be unfair to let the prosecution move the finish line late in the game (even if the defense knew it might happen.)
post #3648 of 6250
I do
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

The prosecution also wants an instruction for 3rd degree murder based on the qualifying event constituting "child abuse" as T was 17 at the time.

This Judge is really terrible, btw.
i don't know the Florida law at issue but that sounds like total BS.
post #3649 of 6250
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This Judge is really terrible, btw.

Yeah, I bet the defense is really regretting forcing the change. From what I've read Lester was much more balanced- although things did change when he found out about the $200k GZ hauled in.
post #3650 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Zimmerman is pretty much fucked. I think the only question now is how long he lasts in prison. Think he will be mixed in with the general population? If so I give him a six month life expectancy.

Man gets prison time for defending himself from black teen, goes to prison and is killed by a black convict who in all likelihood was locked up for a crime he committed when he was 17-24. The culmination of political correctness in america.

He would probably be placed in protective custody and isolated from the population.
post #3651 of 6250
Other places on the web are going crazy.
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So long as he is convicted and serves a good amount of time...that will deter further racist vigilantes from acting in a similar manner.

If he walks, look for the murder rate to skyrocket.

Not guilty Zimmerman = murder rate to skyrocket?
post #3652 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Other places on the web are going crazy.
Not guilty Zimmerman = murder rate to skyrocket?
Really? (Rhetorical question posed not to Pio but to the poster he quoted.) Whatever one thinks about the outcome here, the notion that people (racists or otherwise) make reasoned judgments about whether to kill other folks in streetfights based on the relative "deterrent" effect of such outcomes is pretty silly.
post #3653 of 6250
Considering Zimmerman has no possibility of making anything meaningful of himself after this no matter the outcome(can you imagine a reputable company actually hiring this man for a decent job?), whoever thinks vigilantes are eyeing a non guilty verdict as an opportunity to enact their "Turner Diaries" fantasies is a goddamn retard.
post #3654 of 6250
"Only gunners and bigots this Z is not guilty" is a common thing I'm reading. "Gunners?" There's a new one for me.
post #3655 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

"Only gunners and bigots this Z is not guilty" is a common thing I'm reading. "Gunners?" There's a new one for me.
I'm guessing you didn't google it, though.
post #3656 of 6250
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"Only gunners and bigots this Z is not guilty" is a common thing I'm reading. "Gunners?" There's a new one for me.

Some on here uses "anti-gunners" quite a bit.
post #3657 of 6250
Think it's as bad as a smother box? uhoh.gif
post #3658 of 6250
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

Some on here uses "anti-gunners" quite a bit.

I've not noticed that. Do you see people using "anti-bigots" too?
post #3659 of 6250
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Think it's as bad as a smother box? uhoh.gif

Sorry, you're not rick-rolling me on that one. Was it worse than The Humbler?
post #3660 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Considering Zimmerman has no possibility of making anything meaningful of himself after this no matter the outcome(can you imagine a reputable company actually hiring this man for a decent job?), whoever thinks vigilantes are eyeing a non guilty verdict as an opportunity to enact their "Turner Diaries" fantasies is a goddamn retard.

People have given him hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defense. Almost everyone following the case closely now believes he should be acquitted. He'll probably find something.

Plus thanks to the trial he has a whole wardrobe of new suits he can use for job interviews.
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