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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

EDIT - Ignore that. In FLA the state closes first, followed by the defense, then the state has a rebuttal closing. Fucking retarded state.
Is that not how it works in your hood? That's how it works in CA. The state has the burden of proof, so it has the first (and last) chance to address the jury. It's also the norm in federal practice.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Dershowitz is supposedly one of the foremost appelate lawyers in the US.
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According to him, yes.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post


The Judge had no business inquiring if Z would testify until the defense indicated it was going to rest its case.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Not a lawyer, but just from a common sense sort of thing, why would the judge push so hard to get an answer from Zimmerman prior to the defense being ready to give that answer?
Well, one explanation would be that it makes a big difference in terms of the scheduling, and the judge was trying to figure out how close they were to finishing. And more generally, judges like to be in charge of their courtrooms, like to know what's coming, and don't like surprises. Not that it makes it OK.
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

What do you mean by "impeach" in this situation?

"Impeaching" a witness means attacking the credibility of their testimony -- for example, by introducing a prior inconsistent statement they've made, by bringing in another witness to contradict them, or some circumstances attacking their general credibility (say, by showing they had previously been convicted of perjury).
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'round these parts the defense closes first then the prosecution. No rebuttal unless extraordinary circumstances require it.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

'round these parts the defense closes first then the prosecution. No rebuttal unless extraordinary circumstances require it.

Florida's existence is an extraordinary circumstance.
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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post

I wouldn't go that far. I dnk the socioeconomics of the jury, nor their political persuasion, but I will tell you that I have had women surprise me on juries previously.... more often than men.

Maybe it's because I'm recently engaged and compromise is my life. If Zimmerman is found guilty, I'd like to know what precedent this will set for self-defense cases involving an unarmed attacker with no witnesses to the beginning of the altercation. Does there need to be a significant difference in body weight and height, or how badly beaten does the shooter need to be before he can use deadly force without fear of serving 20 years?
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Maybe it's because I'm recently engaged and compromise is my life. If Zimmerman is found guilty, I'd like to know what precedent this will set for self-defense cases involving an unarmed attacker with no witnesses to the beginning of the altercation. Does there need to be a significant difference in body weight and height, or how badly beaten does the shooter need to be before he can use deadly force without fear of serving 20 years?

It won't set any real precedent, as it's a jury decision. But in the popular imagination, yes, it might have an effect and make people less likely to defend themselves or others.

The civil lawsuit against the HOA will have a bigger effect, in my opinion. As that will encourage more people to sue these organizations and drive up insurance costs and home ownership costs unnecessarily.
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Rumor has it that the state to going to be seeking a jaywalking charge with a hate crime enhancer. Should fit in nicely with the other 500 charges they're looking tack on.
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Don't forget the littering charge for the brass casing.
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Feds helped organize, manage pro-Trayvon Martin protests, documents show

http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-helped-organize-manage-pro-trayvon-martin-protests-documents-show/article/2532890

Your tax dollars at work.
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Piob was right. Jurors can consider a lesser included charge of manslaughter 1:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-charges-idUSBRE96A0LB20130711
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Looks like the lesser charge will be an option.
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How the hell can do they have the knowledge and therefore authority to decide a different charge if it wasn't presented and broken down for them?
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Felony murder based on child abuse" could also be an option.
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The prosecution also wants an instruction for 3rd degree murder based on the qualifying event constituting "child abuse" as T was 17 at the time.

This Judge is really terrible, btw.
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How could it possibly not be prejudicial to include new charges after the defense has closed its case? I don't see how that can be justified at all.
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Zimmerman is pretty much fucked. I think the only question now is how long he lasts in prison. Think he will be mixed in with the general population? If so I give him a six month life expectancy.
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