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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I'm a little fuzzy on this at the moment, but you can't lay a foundation for entering a picture into evidence by having someone describe the scene, can you? How's this different?

Actually, yes. Under the FRE and and most states I'm familiar with (well, OK: "most states I'm familiar with" = only California, but I do believe the rules are similar in most other states), anyone who has eyeballed the subject to a photo can lay a foundation for the admission of that photo by testifying that it fairly represents what they saw when they saw it "live".

Sorry, may have misread your comment. They witness laying the foundation needs to have personally eyeballed the scene or item pictured, which may have been the point you were raising.
post #3587 of 6250
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

It doesn't matter how it happened, it's that a white (LOL) man killed a black teenager, and that is murder. Duh!

A child! A 6'3" little boy.

6'3"???

Damn. He could have been a doctor. frown.gif
post #3588 of 6250
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

6'3"???

Damn. He could have been a doctor. frown.gif
Wait, Trayvon was Jewish?
post #3589 of 6250
This made one of the top links of the day on Real Clear Politics: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-simmons/just-in-case-george-zimme_b_3566397.html
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All we ever asked for was for equal justice for the young man who was killed that drizzling night in Sanford, Florida. If George Zimmerman had rights, so did Trayvon Martin. And that is why Mr. Zimmerman was properly arrested and charged with murder in the second degree.

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Their inspiring leadership has already led to action. In 2012, for the first time in 8 years, not ONE state in our nation passed a new "Stand Your Ground" law. The power of the NRA and their gun-toting cronies in business were stopped in their tracks by the Justice For Trayvon Martin movement.
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It amazes me people are still focused on SYG in this case. It instantly exposes someone as an ignorant stooge.
post #3591 of 6250
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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post

the same reason those numbers do matter nor register with people are the same reason the this zimmerman case should not be on the radar... no one really cares when coloreds kill coloreds. which I find that the attention that this thing get is amazing, you do not have 100 page threads on that chicago violence on stormfront...


and those number alone indicate the need for proper gun training, only slightly above 20% fatality rate, when it is about 60% that is acceptable.

If Z were Black, what are the chances the HOA would have " settled" for a $1,000,000 plus?

Sad, because the loved ones of the 11 blacks killed in Chicago probably won't get a dime.

Anyone know if Chicago has a Victims Compensation Fund? It had better be a big fund?
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post #3592 of 6250
Thank God Russell Simmons has given us his perspective!!!

I look forward to Lil Wayne's piece in the Washington Post.
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Perhaps TS Chantal will develop into a Cat 5 hurricane and strike FLA within hours of a verdict in this case. That would be much better at quelling a riot than a TV commercial. Yeah I'm being facetious.
post #3594 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

72 shootings and 12 dead if you include the 4 day weekend.

Getting a large segment of the black community on board (especially those with access to the public) to 1) admit there's a problem and 2) not blame it entirely on someone else, seems very far fetched at the moment. The momentum seems to be headed in the opposite direction, actually.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Assuming FLA follows in some semblance the federal rules of evidence, "animations" and "recreations" are different from photos in that they are supposed to represent an expert's opinion. So the animation isn't like a picture. A picture is supposed to represent a factual situation. "This is what the scene looked like on the day in question." An animation based on an expert's report is "This is in my opinion how the vehicle accident occurred."

Is there a specific rule that applies?

Like retro said, if this was a reenactment expert in an area where expertise would benefit the jury, that'd be one thing--he could use the animation to explain or illustrate his findings. But this guy's only expertise seems to be at making animations. If they had shown the video to the pathologist and he'd said it was consistent with his findings, that'd be another story.
post #3596 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Is there a specific rule that applies?

Like retro said, if this was a reenactment expert in an area where expertise would benefit the jury, that'd be one thing--he could use the animation to explain or illustrate his findings. But this guy's only expertise seems to be at making animations. If they had shown the video to the pathologist and he'd said it was consistent with his findings, that'd be another story.

FRE 702 and 703 generally.

I didn't watch all 6 hours of argument last night but my understanding was that the defense was going to use Dr. DiMaio to validate the animation as consistent with the forensic examination of the wounds and photographs. The animation guy would just have to testify that he created the animation, he wouldn't be the expert, Dr. DiMaio would be.

EDIT - And again, the video would almost never come in as substantive evidence, merely as demonstrative evidence of an expert's opinion.

FURTHER EDIT - And this also assumes FLA follows the Federal Rules of Evidence to some degree, which I haven't looked too deeply into. It's entirely possible that the same state that accidentally banned all cell phones and computers has some cocked-up rules of evidence that don't make any sense.
post #3597 of 6250
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

6'3"???

Damn. He could have been a doctor. frown.gif

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Wait, Trayvon was Jewish?

He could have been the President. Other Black men from broken homes have used drugs, turned it around, and eventually became President.

And lawyerdad, are you prejudiced LOL? There are many black non-Jewish Doctors.

Given current and future demographics, there will probably never be a Jewish President.
post #3598 of 6250
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The judge tells the prosecution that it's calling Pollack, a prosecution witness, just so it can impeach him, which she won't allow in their rebuttal. The prosecution says the sole purpose of the testimony was to ask him about his website, so there's no reason for him to come back into the courtroom.

Do prosecutors often accidentally on purpose impeach their own witnesses?
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


He could have been the President. Other Black men from broken homes have used drugs, turned it around, and eventually became President.

And lawyerdad, are you prejudiced LOL? There are many black non-Jewish Doctors.

Given current and future demographics, there will probably never be a Jewish President.

Dude, America may have been ready for a half-black President, but a half-Jewish President is at least 50 years out.
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Defense rested and confirmed it won't call Z.

I think the state made a huge tactical error presenting the video and statements of Z speaking with police. This allowed him to get his story out without being cross examined. The only real inconsistency they were able to point out is that Z said T's arms were folded underneath him but when the cops showed up the pics show T's arms were out to the side. That is hardly compelling impeachment material.
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