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post #3526 of 6250
He was showing signs of a fatty liver, probably from the Lean.
post #3527 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Zimmerman had Adderal and Benzodiazapams ( both prescribed ) in his system the night of the shooting.

A kind of prescribed speedball?
post #3528 of 6250
Guiz, benzodiazepines are chill pills. He probably had some lorazepam in his system.
post #3529 of 6250
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

A kind of prescribed speedball?

Yeah, I always wondered how people on Adderall were able to sleep.

And if he's off the Adderal that might partly explain his 100Lb+ weight gain.

To the Lawyers. HB put on your serious face.

If Z did not have toxicology done after the incident ( but he admitted to being on the meds ) could the prosecution get it in.

It is surprising that the prosecution has not made a big deal of Z's medications.

If you know about stuff like Lean HB, you would agree I think, that someone on Adderall and Benzos would be much more prone to agressive, unpredictable behavior than someone on weed.
post #3530 of 6250
I had a friend who was prescribed that combo for his ADD. The Adderal treated the ADD and the Xanax was intended to take the edge off the Adderal.
post #3531 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Yeah, I always wondered how people on Adderall were able to sleep.

And if he's off the Adderal that might partly explain his 100Lb+ weight gain.

To the Lawyers. HB put on your serious face.

If Z did not have toxicology done after the incident ( but he admitted to being on the meds ) could the prosecution get it in.

It is surprising that the prosecution has not made a big deal of Z's medications.

If you know about stuff like Lean HB, you would agree I think, that someone on Adderall and Benzos would be much more prone to agressive, unpredictable behavior than someone on weed.

I don't know FLA specifically, but in PA at least the Prosecution would not be able to get a statement from the Defendant about meds he was on at the time of the incident in during its case in chief. If the defendant testifies it could conceivably open the door to allowing such statements to come in as a Prosecution rebuttal witness.

As it is my understanding that no blood test was done of Zimmerman and his medical records show he was prescribed Adderall and Temazepam in the year prior to the shooting (no idea if they were prescribed concurrently or if by the same Dr.) but there is no evidence he was on either at the time of the incident it is unlikely the Prosecution would be able to get that evidence in, absent some testimony from Z that could lead to them being introduced in rebuttal. For example, if Z is asked on direct "Did you take any medications on the day of the incident?" So long as the defense stays away from that line of questioning he should be fine.

And yes, r, I agree that weed would not likely have the effect of making someone aggressive. However, there are instances where it can increase paranoia in some people, which might have lead T to suspect he was being stalked when in fact he was not. Just a possibility which I expect the D will raise.
post #3532 of 6250
In the 911 call, Zimmerman said Martin was suspicious in part because he appeared to be on drugs. The prosecutors argued that was a lie and that Zimmerman "profiled" Martin, whatever that means. They opened the door to the evidence Martin was, in fact, on drugs, IMO.

Edit: Yep.
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I wrote a long post this morning about the issue of whether the toxicology report should be introduced. After hearing from both sides, the Court ruled the report was admissible, and it would be reversible error not to admit it. She cited the Arias case which I referred to earlier, and a later case citing Arias. In argument today, the defense also referred to the lighter found on Trayvon's body and his swaying in the 711 video. [More...]

The Arias case is an open-door case.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/8/21041/53747/crimenews/Zimmerman-Trial-Toxicology-Report-Is-Admissible
post #3533 of 6250
So the defense is going to rest tomorrow?

With the way this judge likes to hurry everyone, there could be a verdict this week.
post #3534 of 6250
I just heard that. Clearly they're not planning on calling Z. That's probably a good thing considering how his statements have already gotten in by the Prosecution.

I didn't see anything this afternoon, is the defense going to be able to present the animation?

EDIT - Looks like the hearing is going on now.
post #3535 of 6250
An editorial published by our friends at CNN:
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"This case is a perfect storm," says Xavier Donaldson, a defense attorney and former prosecutor in New York. "You have to look at the nature of the case and the racial, political and social economics of the defendant and accused. You have a young black kid, walking with a sweatshirt on and some guy, who wants to be a cop, assumes he's a criminal and shoots him dead." Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.

"Zimmerman had an image in his community as a good guy, who wanted to protect people. So he -- and not Martin, the victim -- has gotten the benefit of presumption of innocence. Normally, in murder cases that doesn't happen. People generally believe that if you've been arrested and charged that you must have done something wrong, but those lines are blurred here," says Donaldson.

. . . .

This is a murder case. One person is dead, and the other person is a murderer. Those words more accurately describe the facts presented in the case. There is no question that Zimmerman killed Martin, so there's no reason to tiptoe around the words.

And that's exactly what is so troubling for myself and many others, especially in the black community. It has been all too easy an idea for people to entertain that Martin did something to cause his own murder. History tells us that in our nation's courtrooms and even outside of those walls, my son, your son, our sons still don't have the presumption of innocence, even when they are the victims of a murder.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/opinion/jones-zimmerman-trial/
post #3536 of 6250
That article is disturbing.
post #3537 of 6250
Thanks for the lols Ataturk
post #3538 of 6250
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But I do know one thing: We should not have to wear a Trayvon T-shirt to an awards show or attend a pep rally to remind America that when an unarmed child is confronted and gunned down in the street by a grown man who's trained to kill, that's murder. End of story.

What a fucking moron.
post #3539 of 6250
Fuck you Xavier Donaldson.
post #3540 of 6250
This whole thing is really a fucking mess and makes me hate people, the media, and the US Manufacturing Council of Racial Outrage. Because of all these fuckers I hope to see a guy I think is morally responsible for a 17 year old's death go free, want to spit every time I see Martin characterized as "an unarmed child," and now know how important it is to distinguish between a white Hispanic vs. a plain old Hispanic. This whole thing is a perfect storm alright: a perfect storm of all that's wrong in the US.
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