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post #3436 of 6250
Someone on CNN today thinks it's Z's team that is in trouble.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/opinion/odonnell-zimmerman-trial
post #3437 of 6250
The joke during the opening was bad, but the defense has been on its game since then.
post #3438 of 6250
Yeah, a little late to the presses with that one. Nobody's going to remember the opening statements in 3 weeks when this case goes to the jury.
post #3439 of 6250
It amazes me what people post on these stupid sites.... how is it even possible West would allow a pic like that to get out considering they are in the middle of the trial?
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post #3440 of 6250
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It amazes me what people post on these stupid sites.... how is it even possible West would allow a pic like that to get out considering they are in the middle of the trial?

I think the pic is fine, and it was apparently from Monday of last week, not after that woman testified. It's the caption the daughter put under it that is cringe-worthy.
post #3441 of 6250
Could be worse. Remember what happened to the daughter of another second-chair defense attorney in a prominent case...
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Could be worse. Remember what happened to the daughter of another second-chair defense attorney in a prominent case...

Yeah, she got impregnated by Kanye West.
post #3443 of 6250
A prosecution witness said the injuries sustained by Zimmerman were "insignificant." The point here should be that someone who would have sustained injuries that the witness would have considered "significant" would have no longer had the facilities to defend themselves. This case is a perfect example of how this distinction can be arbitrary when weapons aren't involved. If someone comes at you with a bat or a knife, you're justified in using deadly force immediately. With fists it becomes more complicated.
post #3444 of 6250
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Jurors just heard testimony this afternoon from a medical examiner who says that the injuries George Zimmerman suffered on the night he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin were "insignificant."

Dr. Valerie Rao, the Jacksonville-based medical examiner for Duval, Clay and Nassau counties, testified that she has reviewed the evidence in the case.

Zimmerman's injuries, she says, "were not life threatening... very insignificant."

A broken nose and busted up head are not "very insignificant."

But then again this comes from a person who -
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Jacksonville Medical Examiner Valerie Rao has been the subject of recurring complaints from her co-workers dating back to 2009. According to letters sent to the the city, "Rao has been seen touching cadavers with her bare hands, washing her feet in the autopsy sink, and performing unnecessary autopsies on inmates to create a revenue stream."

Channel 4's learned that Rao actually has a history of complaints dating back 10 years, while she was Medical Examiner for Citrus, Hernando, Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. Dr. Rao was the Medical Examiner there from 2000 to 2003.

Channel 4 uncovered the minutes from the Medical Examiner's Commission meeting on May 15, 2003, that revealed concerns about Rao from funeral homes, organ donor organizations and law enforcement agencies.

In the minutes officers expressed disapproval of Dr. Rao's "propensity to classify virtually all prison deaths as homicides, and lack of expertise by office personnel in the management of crime scene investigations."
post #3445 of 6250
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I think the pic is fine, and it was apparently from Monday of last week, not after that woman testified. It's the caption the daughter put under it that is cringe-worthy.

well ya I thought the pic and the quote went together... if the daughter added that later then ok, she's a dumb kid... but if they actually took that after the testimony eating ice cream and joking about the witness' stupidity then that I found unbelievable
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Yeah, she got impregnated by Kanye West.

lol biggrin.gif
post #3446 of 6250
Very effective cross-examination of the ME based on what I've read. Defense tried to get her to talk about other injuries shown in the pictures she used and she kept saying that the pictures weren't good enough. Oops.
post #3447 of 6250
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Very effective cross-examination of the ME based on what I've read. Defense tried to get her to talk about other injuries shown in the pictures she used and she kept saying that the pictures weren't good enough. Oops.

Sorry, I haven't been following the testimony. So the ME never did a physical examination but instead based her opinion testimony solely on a review of the pictures, but claims that the pictures aren't good enough for her to form any conclusions about other injuries that might not fit with the prosecution's theory that Zimmerman had suffered only "insignificant " injuries? As in, "The injuries I took into account aren't significant, but I excluded other injuries from my analysis and can't form an opinion as to whether those other injuries are significant individually or in the aggregate"? If that's the case, it does sound like an effective cross.
post #3448 of 6250
I saw this part of the trial today.

The expert medical examiner was clearly on the side of the prosecutor, claiming the injuries were very minor whenever she could answer that way and basically trying to disprove that Zimmerman received many blows, as in more than 4. Also, she refused to even use the word "slamming" because in her view it was too severe.
post #3449 of 6250
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Sorry, I haven't been following the testimony. So the ME never did a physical examination but instead based her opinion testimony solely on a review of the pictures, but claims that the pictures aren't good enough for her to form any conclusions about other injuries that might not fit with the prosecution's theory that Zimmerman had suffered only "insignificant " injuries? As in, "The injuries I took into account aren't significant, but I excluded other injuries from my analysis and can't form an opinion as to whether those other injuries are significant individually or in the aggregate"? If that's the case, it does sound like an effective cross.

I don't know if it was that good, just that she based her opinion on (some) photographs and kept discounting other photographs that appeared to show more injuries than she testified to.

That's my third-hand understanding of it, anyway.
post #3450 of 6250
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I don't know if it was that good, just that she based her opinion on (some) photographs and kept discounting other photographs that appeared to show more injuries than she testified to.

That's my third-hand understanding of it, anyway.
Got it, thanks.
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