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post #3406 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Well unless the prosecution is making Trayvon's character an issue in this case (which they have not done thus far) those kinds of things are irrelevant as they were unknown to Zimmerman at the time of the incident. Just like Zimmerman's prior reports of neighbourhood toughs to the police... Oh wait, why did they let that in again?

I'm a little confused about that, too. The judge is also letting the prosecution use the fact that Zimmerman's medical records indicate he was doing "MMA," and Jeantel (maybe it was on cross-examination) repeatedly made comments vouching for Martin's character--stuff like "trust me" and "I know him." Not to mention that she (lied when she) went on about how peaceable Martin was in her pretrial statements. They apparently weren't allowed to impeach her with that.
post #3407 of 6250
I just wanted to post here in this thread. I have no clue what's going on here and really don't care.
post #3408 of 6250
Some white guy shot an unarmed black adolescent in a gated community in Florida. The racist cops let the guy go without doing any investigation whatsoever, and everybody got mad.

Oh, and he uses a racial slur in the 911 tapes, and there's a blurry police video of the guy (Zimmerman) that shows he had no injuries.
post #3409 of 6250
The Prosecution played a tape of Zim's statement to cops the night of the incident before he had a lawyer.

This statement supports Zim's self-defense claim. It is in no way inconsistent with a self-defense claim. Zim's statement is internally consistent and does not put him in a bad light.

By playing this tape, the prosecutor has made Zim's testimony available without subjecting him to cross examination. There is literally nothing in the tape that hurts Zim.

The prosecution is throwing this case. They apparently recognize this is a political prosecution and intend to lose it on purpose while at least putting up a mock case to appease the blacks and maybe prevent a riot. I have no doubt of this now.
post #3410 of 6250
Or was it a fatal duel between two dutchmen, George Zimmerman and Trey von Martin.
post #3411 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

The Prosecution played a tape of Zim's statement to cops the night of the incident before he had a lawyer.

This statement supports Zim's self-defense claim. It is in no way inconsistent with a self-defense claim. Zim's statement is internally consistent and does not put him in a bad light.

By playing this tape, the prosecutor has made Zim's testimony available without subjecting him to cross examination. There is literally nothing in the tape that hurts Zim.

The prosecution is throwing this case. They apparently recognize this is a political prosecution and intend to lose it on purpose while at least putting up a mock case to appease the blacks and maybe prevent a riot. I have no doubt of this now
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It sort of looks like this.

And I doubt they will have a press conference after the case and talk about waging "the noble fight" like Garcetti, Clark, et al did after the OJ debacle.

BTW:Can Holder still charge Z with a civil rights charge after this case even when it is obviously total BS? Let's not forget that T would have looked like a BO son, if he had one, and it would be terrible if Z walks completely, just because he is innocent.
post #3412 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

It sort of looks like this.

And I doubt they will have a press conference after the case and talk about waging "the noble fight" like Garcetti, Clark, et al did after the OJ debacle.

BTW:Can Holder still charge Z with a civil rights charge after this case even when it is obviously total BS? Let's not forget that T would have looked like a BO son, if he had one, and it would be terrible if Z walks completely, just because he is innocent.

Holder could, yes. Double Jeopardy would not apply.
post #3413 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Holder could, yes. Double Jeopardy would not apply.

But the laws they used on the cops in LA don't apply to Zimmerman, would they?
post #3414 of 6250
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When defense attorney Mark O’Mara got his chance to cross-examine Serino, he tried to downplay some of the Serino’s aggressive questioning, referring to it as a “challenge interview” and calling it a police technique.

“It's either going to tell you that you got him... or it may confirm that he's, for the most part, telling you the truth," said O'Mara.

"Yes sir," said Serino

"In this case, you didn’t have much to hit him with?" asked O'Mara.

"No, sir, I did not," said Serino.

At one point during his interview with Zimmerman, Serino bluffed that he may have video of the incident shot on Martin’s cellphone.

"I believe [Zimmerman’s] words were, 'Thank God, I was hoping somebody would videotape it,'" said Serino. "Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar. One of the two."

Serino says nothing indicated to him that Zimmerman was a liar.

"You think he was telling the truth?" asked O'Mara.

"Yes," said Serino.

Ouch.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/01/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-6?hpt=hp_t2
post #3415 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

But the laws they used on the cops in LA don't apply to Zimmerman, would they?

No, but they could go after him under federal hate crime legislation. They talked about it briefly last year but kind of faded away when the state took up prosecution.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0412/George-Zimmerman-charged-Will-that-affect-civil-rights-investigation
post #3416 of 6250
''At one point during his interview with Zimmerman, Serino bluffed that he may have video of the incident shot on Martin’s cellphone.

"I believe [Zimmerman’s] words were, 'Thank God, I was hoping somebody would videotape it,'" said Serino. "Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar. One of the two."

Serino says nothing indicated to him that Zimmerman was a liar.
"

Either Serino is a pathological liar or this case should be ovahhhhhh!
post #3417 of 6250
The judge apparently granted a belated motion from the State to strike the testimony I quoted above.

Not sure why they get to come back the next day and do that, but whatever. The damage is done.
post #3418 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The judge apparently granted a belated motion from the State to strike the testimony I quoted above.

Not sure why they get to come back the next day and do that, but whatever. The damage is done.

The prosecution's witness said something the prosecution doesn't like so they get it stricken? Is this judge totally in the can for the prosecution?
post #3419 of 6250
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SANFORD, Fla. -- The judge in George Zimmerman's murder trial agreed Tuesday to strike from the record the lead investigator's testimony that he found Zimmerman's account of his fight with Trayvon Martin credible.

Citing case law, Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda said it was harmful for a witness -- especially a police officer -- to tell the jury that he thought Zimmerman was telling the truth.

Judge Debra Nelson agreed that the jury should decide whether Zimmerman is telling the truth, and that a police officer's testimony about truthfulness would be given improper weight by the jury. She told jurors to disregard the statement Detective Chris Serino made Monday.

Serino, who continued testifying Tuesday, had testified Monday that he believed the defendant's account that race was not a factor in the killing. On Tuesday, Serino added that the medical examiner's report supported Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon was on top of him when Zimmerman shot him.

I think the Judge's ruling is correct, but this shows a complete lack of preparation of a witness on the Prosecution's part. And then to wait two days before objecting to it... Fucking incompetent.

Or, as I have stated previously, they're actively trying to throw the case.
post #3420 of 6250
Can a defense lawyer get it stricken if a cop says he thinks the defendant is lying?
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