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post #3136 of 6250
1 makes the most sense to me, especially hearing Z's convo on the phone with the 911 guy. If he wanted to attack Trayvon why would he call the police at all?
post #3137 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Cacatfish View Post

Because people are taking Z's injuries as some kind of evidence that Z got jumped. Im saying there are many other scenarios including him just beign a shitty fighter..
There are a million possible scenarios with the scant evidence we have. What we actually know is that Z pursued Martin with a gun "in a holster".
His story is that he gave up the chase, was returning and got jumped. That story would of course fly best in court because it paints him as no longer the aggressor. Now that is possible of course, but I sit here and, discounting both Z's and Martin's Girlfriend's testimony as biased, I say " what makes more sense"?:
1. the guy was running away but then decided, after evading his pursuer, to circle back around and jump same said pursuer or...
2. guy running away was caught by pursuer.

Both possible scenarios but 1 seems a little odd in most cases and 2 seems very possible in most cases. The whole story stinks and I guess Im right back to my initial post and many others here which is to say Z is an idiot and in the wrong morally, regardless of jury ruling (unless some new evidence comes to light).

You've seen pictures of Zimmerman and Martin, right? Just looking at them you find is "very possible in most cases" the short, fat older guy ran after and caught the very tall, thin teenager? If Zimmerman had bionic legs he could have just kicked Martin away.

I still think ZImmerman was in the wrong and I still think people are making shit up in their heads as to what happened and believing they have "the facts."
post #3138 of 6250
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Insurance didn't cover it. I was just out the stuff he stole: it didn't add up to the deductible.

The kid actually came back a second time, but we happened to be there. The point was more that most people in a neighborhood are completely apathetic or too afraid to appear not PC to act.

Was Zimmerman overzealous? Probably. However, there is no evidence he initiated a fight nor confronted Martin.

Let's play the scenario out a different way, and say Zimmerman didn't have a gun. Assuming Zimmerman still followed Martin, now Zimmerman ends up dead from getting his head cracked against the pavement. Now what? Oh it's Zimmerman's fault for being concerned about his neighbors?


Let's play the scenario where Zimmerman gets help from aliens and Trayvon turns into a unicorn!!!! Your scenario is very unlikely...

How about the scenario where following random teenagers around is not being concerned about the neighborhood but being obsessive about burglaries and emboldened by carrying a gun?

BTW the story about the neighbor not wanting to do anything because the kid is black is not very plausible either and certainly cannot be generalized in any way, hell US prisons are full of black people, US media and movies full of black criminals and so on so forth.
post #3139 of 6250
It's been pretty thoroughly covered that Martin was 200 yards away from his house when Zimmerman called the cops. It was more than three minutes before Zimmerman got off the phone and something like seven and a half minutes before Martin was shot.

...only about 100 yards away from where Zimmerman said he was when he first saw him.

How far do you think Martin could have run in 7 and a half minutes? Do you think Zimmerman chased him down and carried him all the way back?
post #3140 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

1 makes the most sense to me, especially hearing Z's convo on the phone with the 911 guy. If he wanted to attack Trayvon why would he call the police at all?

Im not saying he set out to "attack" Martin. Im saying it is quite possible he initiated the contact that led to the fight rather than him being jumped.
post #3141 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Cacatfish View Post

Im not saying he set out to "attack" Martin. Im saying it is quite possible he initiated the contact that led to the fight rather than him being jumped.

Define "initiated the contact."
post #3142 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Define "initiated the contact."

Seriously? Use your imagination.....
Saw him shouted "hey you stop!", grabbed him, waved a gun at him (we dont actually know when that gun came out of the holster), jumped him, cornered him...etc. Those are a few examples. Do we now need to define what "is " is?
post #3143 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Cacatfish View Post

Seriously? Use your imagination.....
Saw him shouted "hey you stop!", grabbed him, waved a gun at him (we dont actually know when that gun came out of the holster), jumped him, cornered him...etc. Those are a few examples. Do we now need to define what "is " is?

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post #3144 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Cacatfish View Post

Seriously? Use your imagination.....
Saw him shouted "hey you stop!", grabbed him, waved a gun at him (we dont actually know when that gun came out of the holster), jumped him, cornered him...etc. Those are a few examples. Do we now need to define what "is " is?

Those are all very different. Shouting "hey you stop" is in no way initiating force such that Trayvon would be justified in defending himself.
post #3145 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Those are all very different. Shouting "hey you stop" is in no way initiating force such that Trayvon would be justified in defending himself.

What I found laughable is the thought Zimmerman was waving a gun so Martin decided his best course of action was to run over and start a fist fight.
post #3146 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What I found laughable is the thought Zimmerman was waving a gun so Martin decided his best course of action was to run over and start a fist fight.

He brought skittles to a gun fight. Obama would not approve.
post #3147 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

He brought skittles to a gun fight. Obama would not approve.

Can't we all just have a beer and agree that our betters know best?
post #3148 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What I found laughable is the thought Zimmerman was waving a gun so Martin decided his best course of action was to run over and start a fist fight.

He brought skittles to a gun fight. Obama would not approve.

There's no doubt that if he had a son that looked like Trayvon, he would taught him that.
post #3149 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Those are all very different. Shouting "hey you stop" is in no way initiating force such that Trayvon would be justified in defending himself.


They are all indeed quite different. What they have in common is that they do not involve Z being jumped by surprise ( his version of the story).
post #3150 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Cacatfish View Post

They are all indeed quite different. What they have in common is that they do not involve Z being jumped by surprise ( his version of the story).

What they also have in common is varying degrees of improbability particularly the one where Zimmerman brandishes a gun and Martin decides to run at him and attack him with his fists.
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