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post #3076 of 6250
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Originally Posted by ant702 View Post

Negative Munch! You shouldn't confront the guy in a hostile manner, which I'm willing to bet my soul Z. did! You don't know what he could be up to! Hell, Tray could have had a gun! 

Or he could have jumped on him to bash his head in!

The question isn't what he should have done. The question is whether or not he is a murderer.
post #3077 of 6250
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Or he could have jumped on him to bash his head in!

The question isn't what he should have done. The question is whether or not he is a murderer.

Yeah, but you keep over-dramatizing a fist fight, which he couldn't win! And yes, unfortunately I believe he did commit murder in this case! But we will see! Don't worry I will not be saying I told you so! I have no skin in this game, only an observer!   

post #3078 of 6250
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So, did Tray stalk Z.? I'm pretty sure you heard the tapes, just like I did and read various papers as well! It's clear who started the fight! You know Z. did, but you want to spin it like some politician! Most people don't like politicians, Piobaire! No sense in beating a dead horse with a stick; I just thought I could move more people towards the real underdog, which is the deceased who did nothing to be killed for! I do have a feeling Zimmerman is looking at spending time in prison! If you like, you can visit him and show your support! You may lose some friends! But here, on SF we will all ways be here for you, to let  you know , you are not always right!

You're either a troll or very stupid AEB the bolded. I have said in this thread probably 100 times Zimmerman was in the wrong here. The point is this does not mean he committed murder and it certainly does not mean all the Martin supporters have factual information to give the certainty of their opinions they express.

Again, you're either a troll or very stupid.
post #3079 of 6250
After all this, I'm almost certain Zimmerman is regretting his choice. Letting some punk kid walk around the neighborhood (maybe break-in to someone's home and steal a TV or other small material possession) seems like a far superior option to having your entire life ruined regardless of whether or not you acted in a justified manner.

He's lost more than he could have imagined, how many plasma TV's worth of wages, time, legal fees have been lost on some punk kid? I understand that Zimmerman wanted to keep his neighborhood safe, and he did the right thing to call the police, but he should have just gone home and locked the doors after that. He could be at the movies with his family eating $8 popcorn and watching Robert Downey Jr. shoot lasers at bad guys. Instead, he's gained a hundred pounds, looks miserable and has put his family and everyone he loves through hell.

Whether he's found innocent or not, he took his own life as well as Trayvon's that day.
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I'm glad that we regularly get posters in this thread who add great value with their enlightening discourse!
post #3081 of 6250
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After all this, I'm almost certain Zimmerman is regretting his choice. Letting some punk kid walk around the neighborhood (maybe break-in to someone's home and steal a TV or other small material possession) seems like a far superior option to having your entire life ruined regardless of whether or not you acted in a justified manner.

Except that the "kids" who'd been breaking into houses in his neighborhood didn't care whether someone was actually in the house when they did it. Remember?
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Except that the "kids" who'd been breaking into houses in his neighborhood didn't care whether someone was actually in the house when they did it. Remember?

I didn't say Trayvon was innocent, nor that he was a good person. But I was mentioning that Zimmerman would probably have been better off and that he most likely feels that way at this point in time.

Had Trayvon broken into a home and punched a lady in the face and stole their TV, we never would have heard about it. He may not have assaulted anyone that day. It's all speculation on what could have happened. But I am almost certain that Z regrets his choice regardless of justification.
post #3083 of 6250
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I didn't say Trayvon was innocent, nor that he was a good person. But I was mentioning that Zimmerman would probably have been better off and that he most likely feels that way at this point in time.

Had Trayvon broken into a home and punched a lady in the face and stole their TV, we never would have heard about it. He may not have assaulted anyone that day. It's all speculation on what could have happened. But I am almost certain that Z regrets his choice regardless of justification.

Absolutely

I suspect Z was a well intentioned but misguided guy who regrets everything. I doubt he was some sort of racist vigilante unlike some of his supporters. That being said it's manslaughter at a minimum.
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Don't keep us in suspense. Why is it manslaughter?
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Don't keep us in suspense. Why is it manslaughter?

because he killed someone due to negligence.
post #3086 of 6250
So it was an accident?

That's an interesting theory.
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The final act was self defense imo (not that my opinion will matter, I'm not going to be on the jury) - I'm just looking at the events leading up to it and think that Zimmerman had some metal courage packed in his waistband which led him to seek a scenario that turned out badly. I don't think his intention was to shoot anyone at all, but I think he was emboldened by the knowledge that he had a firearm.
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The final act was self defense imo (not that my opinion will matter, I'm not going to be on the jury) - I'm just looking at the events leading up to it and think that Zimmerman had some metal courage packed in his waistband which led him to seek a scenario that turned out badly. I don't think his intention was to shoot anyone at all, but I think he was emboldened by the knowledge that he had a firearm.

I tend to agree with this and this is what, IMO, puts Zimmerman in the wrong morally. Of course, the moral =! the legal and we'll see what comes out at trial.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I tend to agree with this and this is what, IMO, puts Zimmerman in the wrong morally. Of course, the moral =! the legal and we'll see what comes out at trial.


this is basically what I have been saying since the beginning
post #3090 of 6250
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Originally Posted by celery View Post

After all this, I'm almost certain Zimmerman is regretting his choice. Letting some punk kid walk around the neighborhood (maybe break-in to someone's home and steal a TV or other small material possession) seems like a far superior option to having your entire life ruined regardless of whether or not you acted in a justified manner.

He's lost more than he could have imagined, how many plasma TV's worth of wages, time, legal fees have been lost on some punk kid? I understand that Zimmerman wanted to keep his neighborhood safe, and he did the right thing to call the police, but he should have just gone home and locked the doors after that. He could be at the movies with his family eating $8 popcorn and watching Robert Downey Jr. shoot lasers at bad guys. Instead, he's gained a hundred pounds, looks miserable and has put his family and everyone he loves through hell.

Whether he's found innocent or not, he took his own life as well as Trayvon's that day.

No good deed goes unpunished. It is actually surprising to me that he did anything.

A couple years ago, I was moving into a new home, and I was robbed during the move. The neighbors actually saw the kid, a black kid about 15, and they didn't want to seem racist or bigoted or whatever, so they didn't do anything until he then proceeded to try breaking into my neighbor's home.

The cops didn't care because it was my own fault for not having locked all my doors plus the kid was under 18 so at best he'd get juvi. Ultimately they caught the kid, because he was wanted for like half a dozen other robberies. They couldn't do anything on my case because they didn't bother collecting evidence besides my neighbor picking him out of a lineup.

The point is that it is rare for neighbors to give a damn.
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