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post #3061 of 6250
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

It only takes one for a mistrial.... what are they going to do, keep trying him?


Why not? That way we can have multiple riots.
post #3062 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


While I do not disagree with your recommendation (I would actually go one further and say that if you're armed you should avoid starting a fist fight all together) but what does it have to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case?

I believe this is what happened! It's somewhat common, when I guy gets his ass-kicked and decided to kill!  

post #3063 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post


It does not appear that Zimmerman started the fight. So what should one do when one is attacked by another and put in fear of severe bodily injury?

Z didn't stalk this guy! Z didn't stop chasing after this guy when authorities asked! C'mon stop supporting a coward with a gun! Maybe Z  should have took Karate lessons or something! Also, do not start a fight if you cant fight, very stupid! 

post #3064 of 6250
So apparently he went off to hunt and kill the kid, but first called the police, because that's what people do. And he defied an eminent 911 operator's authoritative command of "we don't need you to do that", which basically makes him a murderer.

Basically, if you are going to go around being interested in the safety of your neighborhood and showing concern over strangers skulking around, you deserve to get your head bashed in.
post #3065 of 6250
In no account I've read did Zimmerman "start the fight." Are you privy to info no one else is?
post #3066 of 6250
I don't think the physical evidence can tell us who started the fight. Zimmerman may have grabbed Trayvon's arm in an attempt to restrain him, or took a swing and missed. It's all going to come down to whether the jury finds Zimmerman's testimony credible. And yes, because it is undisputed that he shot and killed Trayvon, Zimmerman is going to have to take the stand.
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

I don't think the physical evidence can tell us who started the fight. Zimmerman may have grabbed Trayvon's arm in an attempt to restrain him, or took a swing and missed. It's all going to come down to whether the jury finds Zimmerman's testimony credible. And yes, because it is undisputed that he shot and killed Trayvon, Zimmerman is going to have to take the stand.

You're an attorney so maybe you could help me out here. As there is no physical evidence to support Zimmerman "started the fight" would it not be deemed conjecture for a jury to be told he did start the fight? Ant is a great example of people that are sure they know exactly what happened, in deficit of any factual support, but that stuff is not supposed to fly in a courtroom, is it?
post #3068 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You're an attorney so maybe you could help me out here. As there is no physical evidence to support Zimmerman "started the fight" would it not be deemed conjecture for a jury to be told he did start the fight? Ant is a great example of people that are sure they know exactly what happened, in deficit of any factual support, but that stuff is not supposed to fly in a courtroom, is it?

I don't practice criminal law, so take what I'm saying with a mountain of salt. Juries are not computers. They convict defendants of murder all the time with less than perfect physical evidence. And that's in cases where the State has to prove that the defendant killed the victim! Here, where it is undisputed that Zimmerman killed Trayvon, the jury is going to want to hear the fear that Zimmerman felt for his life that required him to shoot Trayvon.
post #3069 of 6250
Whether Zimmerman testifies will probably depend on what the prosecution chooses to use against him. He generally can't introduce his own statements to the police because they're self-serving and hearsay (if he wants to use them, not if the state does).

But there's a rule of completeness that allows the defense to introduce the complete version of any statements by Zimmerman the prosecutors use. So if they introduce his statement to the cops, they gotta put the whole thing out there. If they do it'd be silly for Zimmerman to subject himself to cross-examination live in court when he can get his whole story in through the recorded police interviews.
post #3070 of 6250
Zimmerman really doesn't have a lot of baggage like an OJ. or Casey Anthony.

Those that are predisposed against him will not care if he testifies and won't be swayed if he does or not. But the guy does not have some horrendous past as a racist, KKKer sort, with former bad incidents to bring up. He was pretty much an average LMC guy and also a cop wannabe.

He was employed, married, had a generally decent record and past, and was a former tutor and mentor to a young black man. He was also a volunteer trying to make his neighborhood safer and there will be commendations and neighbors that thought he was a great caring neighbor. So, since most if not all of the physical evidence and statements are known ( though there might be an unknown bombshell ), I think he may go on the stand to help his case, or at least, he probably won't hurt it with those that are truly neutral jurors.
Edited by rnoldh - 5/20/13 at 11:14am
post #3071 of 6250
It appears that Zimmerman is going with self-defense. If so, that's an affirmative defense, so he'll have to put some evidence on. That could be his own testimony or some kind of hired expert scene reconstructionalist who can put together a version of what happened that night to support self-defense.
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Originally Posted by ant702 View Post

Z didn't stalk this guy! Z didn't stop chasing after this guy when authorities asked! C'mon stop supporting a coward with a gun! Maybe Z  should have took Karate lessons or something! Also, do not start a fight if you cant fight, very stupid! 

Following someone around a private community is in no way stalking. And the "authorities" you mention consisted of a 911 operator, who has no legal authority. And again, there is no evidence I've seen that Z started the fight.
post #3072 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Following someone around a private community is in no way stalking. And the "authorities" you mention consisted of a 911 operator, who has no legal authority. And again, there is no evidence I've seen that Z started the fight.

This thread makes it pretty clear to me Zimmerman's defense have an uphill battle ahead of them.
post #3073 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

In no account I've read did Zimmerman "start the fight." Are you privy to info no one else is?

So, did Tray stalk Z.? I'm pretty sure you heard the tapes, just like I did and read various papers as well! It's clear who started the fight! You know Z. did, but you want to spin it like some politician! Most people don't like politicians, Piobaire! No sense in beating a dead horse with a stick; I just thought I could move more people towards the real underdog, which is the deceased who did nothing to be killed for! I do have a feeling Zimmerman is looking at spending time in prison! If you like, you can visit him and show your support! You may lose some friends! But here, on SF we will all ways be here for you, to let  you know , you are not always right!


Edited by ant702 - 5/21/13 at 4:45am
post #3074 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Zimmerman really doesn't have a lot of baggage like an OJ. or Casey Anthony.

Those that are predisposed against him will not care if he testifies and won't be swayed if he does or not. But the guy does not have some horrendous past as a racist, KKKer sort, with former bad incidents to bring up. He was pretty much an average LMC guy and also a cop wannabe.

He was employed, married, had a generally decent record and past, and was a former tutor and mentor to a young black man. He was also a volunteer trying to make his neighborhood safer and there will be commendations and neighbors that thought he was a great caring neighbor. So, since most if not all of the physical evidence and statements are known ( though there might be an unknown bombshell ), I think he may go on the stand to help his case, or at least, he probably won't hurt it with those that are truly neutral jurors.

I think I can agree with most of this statement!       


Edited by ant702 - 5/21/13 at 5:00am
post #3075 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

So apparently he went off to hunt and kill the kid, but first called the police, because that's what people do. And he defied an eminent 911 operator's authoritative command of "we don't need you to do that", which basically makes him a murderer.

Basically, if you are going to go around being interested in the safety of your neighborhood and showing concern over strangers skulking around, you deserve to get your head bashed in.

Negative Munch! You shouldn't confront the guy in a hostile manner, which I'm willing to bet my soul Z. did! You don't know what he could be up to! Hell, Tray could have had a gun! 

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