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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Article says the targets "resembled" Trayvon. I wonder what that means? Were they the hoodie cut-out targets with the Skittles and Iced Tea that were sold under the Trayvon name or were they something else?

Yup.

post #2912 of 6250
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Originally Posted by hossoso View Post

That's true, they could have ignored the situation. But if it had been exposed by someone else (and in this day and age it seems exposure is inevitable) it would have been catastrophic for the relationship between the community and law enforcement. They were proactive. Did they play it safe? Yes. Did they do the right thing for themselves and the public? I think so.

Why are you so concerned about this guy getting fired?

Why am I concerned about someone being fired from a public job for expressing political views? Gee, I dunno.

And you seem to assume they had two choices, fire or condone. That's bullshit. It's hard to form an opinion either way without knowing all the facts, though.
post #2913 of 6250
How about a cop gets fired for saying he supports gun control?
post #2914 of 6250
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Originally Posted by hossoso View Post

A person employed by the public should carefully evaluate the consequences of their actions 24/7.

This would lead to the public sector being culled by at least 2/3s overnight.
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Originally Posted by Spats View Post

It's a pretty good indicator of the cop's state of mind when he clicked the "buy now" button on his computer.

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Why am I concerned about someone being fired from a public job for expressing political views? Gee, I dunno.

And you seem to assume they had two choices, fire or condone. That's bullshit. It's hard to form an opinion either way without knowing all the facts, though.

Political views? He was fantasizing about shooting an unarmed, underage, black kid. He was a cop. He got turned in by cops and he got fired by cops. Political views... what the fuck is the matter with you?
post #2916 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

How about a cop gets fired for saying he supports gun control?

Has that ever happened? Does your hypothetical question have anything to do with the current conversation?

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This would lead to the public sector being culled by at least 2/3s overnight.
Non-responsive.

So what? I mean, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should this guy not have been reported by his co-workers? Should he not have been fired by his superiors? The public sector is most certainly rife with common human flaws but the actions of this police force proves that they do attempt to mitigate these problems.
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Originally Posted by hossoso View Post

So what? I mean, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should this guy not have been reported by his co-workers? Should he not have been fired by his superiors? The public sector is most certainly rife with common human flaws but the actions of this police force proves that they do attempt to mitigate these problems.

I am saying that while I agree with the statement public servants are so rarely held to account for far worse the statement is almost without meaning. This is just random happenstance the racist fool was caught and punished. It also actually has little to do with the actual case in question.
post #2918 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I am saying that while I agree with the statement public servants are so rarely held to account for far worse the statement is almost without meaning.

It sounds like you are addressing something specific. What statements? Whose statements?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is just random happenstance the racist fool was caught and punished. It also actually has little to do with the actual case in question.

Well, I find it encouraging and would love to see it happen more often. I agree it has little to do with the case and ended up in this thread tangentially but, here we are.
post #2919 of 6250
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Originally Posted by hossoso View Post

Political views? He was fantasizing about shooting an unarmed, underage, black kid. He was a cop. He got turned in by cops and he got fired by cops. Political views... what the fuck is the matter with you?

"Fatanasized about shooting an unarmed, underage, black kid."

I mean, c'mon, that's so ridiculous you can't seriously believe it. The cop wanted to shoot the targets to express his disagreement with the politically motivated characterization of Martin as a child victim.
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Cops don't get fired for actually killing unarmed people, but you get fired for buying a target that kinda resembles one? What a world we live in.
post #2921 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

"Fatanasized about shooting an unarmed, underage, black kid."

I mean, c'mon, that's so ridiculous you can't seriously believe it. The cop wanted to shoot the targets to express his disagreement with the politically motivated characterization of Martin as a child victim.

Well, I appreciate your commitment to debate this and call attention to a situation you think is unfair. I disagree and am happy with the outcome. Unfortunately, I don't think either of us have an unarmed black kids chance in Florida of swaying the others opinion.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I mean, c'mon, that's so ridiculous you can't seriously believe it. The cop wanted to shoot the targets to express his disagreement with the politically motivated characterization of Martin as a child victim.

How do you know what his motivation was? Maybe he wanted to express that he thought Treyvon really deserved to be shot. Maybe he just thought it was funny. Who knows?
post #2923 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

How do you know what his motivation was? Maybe he wanted to express that he thought Treyvon really deserved to be shot. Maybe he just thought it was funny. Who knows?

That's right--we can really never know anyone's motivation. Who's to know what it means when a cop hands out a cut-out of Trayvon Martin for target practice? Nobody, that's who. In fact, this is a good example of how why all attempts to evaluate any form of symbolic or linguistic communication must invariably fail. Beetle in a box! Wheeeeee
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

That's pretty disgusting. Do we think it's indicative of Zimmerman's state of mind during the incident?

Not at all. But I think if the jury hears enough of this sort of stuff, they could vote to convict as a stand against this sort of thought.
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Not at all. But I think if the jury hears enough of this sort of stuff, they could vote to convict as a stand against this sort of thought.

The average juror strikes me as being pretty stupid so I have to agree with you.
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