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post #2551 of 6250
If Trayvon had won an honorary PHD, no one would have shot him.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/05/27/barney_frank_tells_black_recipient_of_degree_he_hopes_no_one_will_shoot_at_you_for_wearing_a_hoodie.html

Or so says the great Barney Fwank.

Is Fwank as bullet proof as Sharpton et al., or does his buffoonery not protect him from saying silly things like this?
post #2552 of 6250
Yeah, the a lot of partially redacted discovery was posted online a week ago or so.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-documents.html?ref=us

^^ Page 147-ish
post #2553 of 6250

page 94 is interesting

the woman who gave a 13 page interview said the boy was screaming

 

when a detective talked to her later, she again said it was the boy, he said no it was the man (it still is in doubt)

then she said the young man was killed, the det said both were young man and 'you should see the shooter' he was all beaten up...

why would he introduce information into the interview, he was gathering information, instead he was giving it and suggesting things

post #2554 of 6250

timeline is interesting

he's chasing the kid at  9:14

call ends 9:15

another call by a witness at 9:17, someone screaming

20 seconds later shot fired screaming stops

officer shows up 20 seconds later

 

if zimmerman hadn't chased him (like the dispather told him 'we don't need you to do that') this would not have happened

chances are the kid would comply with a uniformed officer since he was doing nothing wrong

wait in the truck, armed and secure, for 2 minutes for the cops

 

zimmerman was chasing the kid who was running, not disputed

a witness said she saw a guy chasing another man

a fight ensued, then a shot was fired

post #2555 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Arthur PE View Post

timeline is interesting
he's chasing the kid at  9:14
call ends 9:15
another call by a witness at 9:17, someone screaming
20 seconds later shot fired screaming stops
officer shows up 20 seconds later

if zimmerman hadn't chased him (like the dispather told him 'we don't need you to do that') this would not have happened
chances are the kid would comply with a uniformed officer since he was doing nothing wrong
wait in the truck, armed and secure, for 2 minutes for the cops

zimmerman was chasing the kid who was running, not disputed
a witness said she saw a guy chasing another man
a fight ensued, then a shot was fired

again why do you zimmerman was wrong for getting out of his car and it was ok for the white guy in the case in new york to get out of the building and wait for the trouble makers instead of calling the police?
post #2556 of 6250
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again why do you zimmerman was wrong for getting out of his car and it was ok for the white guy in the case in new york to get out of the building and wait for the trouble makers instead of calling the police?

 

 

because trayvon was not threatening zimmerman (he was running AWAY from him) and was committing no crime

 

the other episode the guy that got shot went out of his way, drunk, with a gang to confront the guy at his home

which IS a crime

he wanted to harm the guys kid and tresspassed onto his property

 

they both messed up, but zimmerman was the aggressor against a kid running away from him

the other guy should have waited, but the gang were the aggressors, they came to his home looking for trouble

 

zimmerman chased someone and ended up murdering him

the other guy showed poor judgement but was the object of the aggression

if they did not show up at his house he would be alive

trayvon was not looking for trouble, just walking home

 

the white guy should have been convicted of a lessor crime, zimmerman of murder

in both cases the agressor could have prevented it

zimmerman waits 2 minutes or less for the cops

the gang does not go to the guys house and onto his property

they bear the majority of the responsibility for what happened

yes, the white guy should have stayed put, and would have if they didn't show up wanting to assault his son

blame

zimmerman 100%

the guy whom white shot 80%

the white guy 20%

 

if trayvon had shown up at zimmermans home and wanted a confrontation we'd be looking at this differently

post #2557 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Arthur PE View Post


because trayvon was not threatening zimmerman (he was running AWAY from him) and was committing no crime

the other episode the guy that got shot went out of his way, drunk, with a gang to confront the guy at his home
he wanted to harm the guys kid and tresspassed onto his property

they both messed up, but zimmerman was the agressor against a kid running away from him
the other guy should have waited, but the gang were the agressors, they came to his home looking for trouble

zimmerman chased someone and ended up murdering him
the other guy showed poor judgement but was the object of the agression
if they did not show up at his house he would be alive
trayvon was not looking for trouble, just walking home

the white guy should have been convicted of a lessor crime, zimmerman of murder
in both cases the agressor could have prevented it
zimmerman waits 2 minutes or less for the cops
the gang does not go to the guys house and onto his property
they bear the majority of the responsibility for what happened
yes, the white guy should have stayed put, and would have if they didn't show up wanting to assault his son
blame
zimmerman 100%
the guy whom white shot 80%
the white guy 20%

did the white guy call the police?
you changed the story with the white guy once already.
still the mob in the white case yes may have went on the lawn(but i think i checkeed for fun) they were on the sidewlk not lawn but who knows little differenc. the white nor hsi child were in harms way.... when he decided to arm himself and his son he put himself in harms way and wanted to start a confrontation much like zimmerman.

white coudl have called the cops stayed indoors much like you say zimmerman could have done and called the pigs. no he went to start fight or at least finish one violently.
post #2558 of 6250
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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post


did the white guy call the police?
you changed the story with the white guy once already.
still the mob in the white case yes may have went on the lawn(but i think i checkeed for fun) they were on the sidewlk not lawn but who knows little differenc. the white nor hsi child were in harms way.... when he decided to arm himself and his son he put himself in harms way and wanted to start a confrontation much like zimmerman.
white coudl have called the cops stayed indoors much like you say zimmerman could have done and called the pigs. no he went to start fight or at least finish one violently.

 

don't know, doesn't matter

a drunken gang shows up wanting to kill my kid I'm dealing with them first, 911 after

 

the gang went onto his driveway

 

if the gang did not committ the crime of showing up at white's house to assault his son, none of this would have happened

the guy killed himself, white just helped him

this was going on for a while, he was afraid the gang would attack his kid and kill him, they had threatened to do so

many on one isn't a fight, so the guy was going to put an end to it by confronting the cowards

 

again

trayvon, no crime, chased in an area he was authorized to be and shot by zimmerman

the guy white shot, went to whites home to assault his son, that is a crime

 

if trayvon went to zimmermans home or white went to the drunks home it would be a different story

post #2559 of 6250
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post #2560 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Yeah, the a lot of partially redacted discovery was posted online a week ago or so.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-documents.html?ref=us
^^ Page 147-ish

Good info, thanks.
post #2561 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Arthur PE View Post

don't know, doesn't matter
a drunken gang shows up wanting to kill my kid I'm dealing with them first, 911 after

the gang went onto his driveway

if the gang did not committ the crime of showing up at white's house to assault his son, none of this would have happened
the guy killed himself, white just helped him
this was going on for a while, he was afraid the gang would attack his kid and kill him, they had threatened to do so
many on one isn't a fight, so the guy was going to put an end to it by confronting the cowards

again
trayvon, no crime, chased in an area he was authorized to be and shot by zimmerman
the guy white shot, went to whites home to assault his son, that is a crime

if trayvon went to zimmermans home or white went to the drunks home it would be a different story

ok there is reason the white fuck was arrested what he did was not self defense, the fact that the gang was comign to do x probably does nto matter. fi th white guy was caught outside ok but he was not he sought the confrontation the same way zimmerman
he was specualting like zimmerman that the group wished to do somehting. in short the white guy was a stupid ass. as was zimmerman
post #2562 of 6250
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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post


ok there is reason the white fuck was arrested what he did was not self defense, the fact that the gang was comign to do x probably does nto matter. fi th white guy was caught outside ok but he was not he sought the confrontation the same way zimmerman
he was specualting like zimmerman that the group wished to do somehting. in short the white guy was a stupid ass. as was zimmerman

 

I don't know if was self defense, he was not convicted of murder though

 

it sure does matter that the drunken gang of cowards came to his house to assault his son, that is a crime

he was not speculating, they said they wanted his son so they could gang up on him

 

again

if trayvon went to zimmermans home looking for a fight we'd be looking at this differently

if white went to the dead douche bags house we'd be looking at this differently

post #2563 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Arthur PE View Post

I don't know if was self defense, he was not convicted of murder though

it sure does matter that the drunken gang of cowards came to his house to assault his son, that is a crime
he was not speculating, they said they wanted his son so they could gang up on him

again
if trayvon went to zimmermans home looking for a fight we'd be looking at this differently
if white went to the dead douche bags house we'd be looking at this differently

so they threatened to break into home and kidnap his son? i fail to see whites logic for leaving the building and bring his son out as well. are you saying his goal was to protect his son? would that not have been done in superior way by keeping him inside instead of bringing him outside to face the mob. wh
post #2564 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You know how people are...always ready to support a white HIspanic.
Thats one of the interesting things about this case. All white nationalist, race realist etc sorts are really excited by this case. I try to figure out there angle but never can.
post #2565 of 6250
Interesting analysis. This person goes through all the witness statements with a critical eye.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/5/27/44552/1872
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