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Originally Posted by Tck13 View Post

Z's father, after the call was "cleaned up" admitted (in tears) that it was his son yelling for help approximately 14 times.
Also, the girl talking to TM heard him say "get off, get off" implying that Z had grabbed TM and confronted him.

I think you have that wrong. It was Trayvon Martin's father who admitted in tears it wasn't his son screaming for help.
post #2447 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

There was a case a little like that not too long ago. A white kid was wanting to fight a black kid, so the black kid's father came down, held a gun in his face, and shot him dead for no immediate reason. Said "oops, it just went off." Guess which side the left and the black community took?
He wasn't even prosecuted for murder, was convicted of manslaughter or negligent homicide or something, given a super duper lenient sentence, and then was pardoned before even serving it.

Long Island case, right? You left a lot of detail out of that case.
post #2448 of 6250
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Originally Posted by NoVaguy View Post

Long Island case, right? You left a lot of detail out of that case.

Oh, right. They called him a nigger before he shot the kid. I guess that makes it okay.
post #2449 of 6250
Alot of closet racists coming out of the woodwork.
post #2450 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cronicmole View Post

Alot of closet racists coming out of the woodwork.

Ataturk has always been out of the racist closet ....
post #2451 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cronicmole View Post

Alot of closet racists coming out of the woodwork.

You know how people are...always ready to support a white HIspanic.
post #2452 of 6250
I really hate the injection of racism in what would be an otherwise intelligent conversation.

Ataturk, Munch. So the prosecution is hinging there case on profiling that resulted in an active pursuit that ended with a confrontation resulting in the death of the party being pursued. If the prosecution makes this work what is your opinion on the outcome of this case?

Prosecutor's Affidavit....

OFFICE OF THE STATE ATTORNEY
FOURTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT of FLORIDA
ANGELA B. COREY -- STATE ATTORNEY


STATE OF FLORIDA VS. GEORGE ZIMMERMAN

EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, SEMINOLE COUNTY FLORIDA

AFFIDAVIT OF PROBABLE CAUSE - SECOND DEGREE MURDER
_____________________________________________________________________

Before me, personally appeared T.C. O'Steen and K.D. Gilbreath, who after being duly sworn; deposes and says:

Your affiants, Investigators T.C. O'Steen, and Dale Gilbreath are members of the State Attorney Office - Fourth Judicial Circuit appointed in the case by State Attorney Angela B. Corey, who was assigned in the case under Executive Order of the Governor 12-72.

Investigator O'Steen was previously employed by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, and has 35 years of law enforcement experience, including 20 years handling homicide investigations. Investigator Gilbreath was previously employed by the Jacksonville, Sheriff's Office, and has 36 years of law enforcement experience, including 24 years handling homicide investigations.

Your affiants, along with other law enforcement officials have taken sworn statements from witnesses, spoken with law enforcement officers who have provided sworn testimony in reports, reviewed other reports, recorded statements, phone records, recorded calls to police, photographs, videos and other documents in detailing the following:

On Sunday, 2/26/12, Trayvon Martin was temporarily living at the Retreat at Twin lakes, a gated community in Sanford, Seminole County, Florida. That evening Marin walked to a nearby 7-11 store where he purchased a can of iced tea and a bag of skittles, Martin then walked back to entered the gated community and was on his way back to the townhouse where he was living when he was profiled by George Zimmerman. Martin was unarmed and was not committing a crime.

Zimmerman who also lived in the gated community, and was driving his vehicle observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt Martin did not belong in the gated community and called the police.

Zimmerman spoke to the dispatcher and asked for an officer to respond because Zimmerman perceived that Martine was acting suspicious. The police dispatcher informed Zimmerman that an officer was on the way and to wait for the officer.

During the recorded call Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated "these assholes, they always get away" and also said "these f---ing punks".

During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why. Martin attempted to run home but was followed by Zimmerman who didn't want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime to get away before the police arrived. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and followed Martin. When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman's was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home.

Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued. Witnesses heard people arguing and what sounded like a struggle. During this time period witnesses heard numerous called for help and some of these were recorded in 911 calls to police. Trayvon Martin's mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon martin's voice.

Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. When police arrived Zimmerman admitted shooting Martin. Officers recovered a gun from a holster inside Zimmerman's waistband. A fired casing that was recovered at the scene was determined to have been fired from the firearm.

Assistant Medical Examiner Dr. Bao Performed an autopsy and determined that Martin died from the gunshot wound.

The facts mentioned in this affidavit are not a complete recitation of all the pertinent facts and evidence in the case but only are presented for a determination of Probable Cause for Second Degree Murder.

By: Investigator T.C. O'Steen, Affiant
By: Investigator Dale Gilbreath, Affiant

Sworn to and subscribed before me
This 11th day of April, 2012

Jennifer Weigel
Notary Public, State of Florida at Large
post #2453 of 6250
As a racist, I don't always reflexively support hispanics, but when I do, I prefer white hispanics.
post #2454 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You know how people are...always ready to support a white HIspanic.

Against a black guy...

Racism has so many layers.

Zimmerman is a son of wealthy white guy and a Peruvian mother making him in your eye a potential white guy...

I call that racism by default..

You also support him mainly because of the Stand your ground issue...

If a Mexican guy would have shot a white guy , I doubt you will be putting such a touching defense..

There is nothing wrong to have strong opinions but you need to be man enough to stand up for them instead of hiding them behind a moral smoke screen.
post #2455 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I think you have that wrong. It was Trayvon Martin's father who admitted in tears it wasn't his son screaming for help.

Could be. I can't keep track of the articles anymore.
post #2456 of 6250
Although, I have to say that, sadly, Z killing T probably helped his case.
post #2457 of 6250
well he did get rid of the only potential reliable witness.
post #2458 of 6250
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well he did get rid of the only potential reliable witness.

Exactly my point.
post #2459 of 6250
The all thing is a tragedy...

Zimmerman is portrayed as a monster and the young lad is now a junkie hardcore criminal or an angel according to the media you have chosen to forge/massage your opinion.

They both had flaws like many of us and now a 17 years old is dead and people are fighting about race and law and order issues around the corpse and the remains of Z's life...
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You know how people are...always ready to support a white HIspanic.

Against a black guy...

Racism has so many layers.

Zimmerman is a son of wealthy white guy and a Peruvian mother making him in your eye a potential white guy...

I call that racism by default..

You also support him mainly because of the Stand your ground issue...

If a Mexican guy would have shot a white guy , I doubt you will be putting such a touching defense..

There is nothing wrong to have strong opinions but you need to be man enough to stand up for them instead of hiding them behind a moral smoke screen.

What in the fuck are you talking about? Did you miss the probably > 100 times I said Z was in the wrong? Your whole post if fucking bullshit and/or an obvious troll. Can you just quote me once offering Z "support" and again quote my view on the STYG law.

This has to be another lame troll. Either that or you are far more stupid than I thought you were.

Here's my last post addressing my position on the situation. Please pull your head out of your ass:
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For the record, I know that nobody wants to go back and read this whole thread, but I have shifted my position on this as the evidence came in. I would say the evidence is overwhelming in support of Zimmerman's self-defense claim. I don't call myself a liberal, but I'm sure I'm considered one on the CE. I have no ideological reason to join Team Zimmerman, other than a belief in the rule of law and presumption of innocence.

I'm the same way. You and the other attorneys have explained that application of the law in Florida should lead to this not even getting to court. I'm still of the mind that Z is in the wrong by any reasonable means but we're talking the law, which is famously, an ass.
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