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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

He kind of predates you, but he is probably the most ignorable guy on this forum.

That's very high praise.
post #2357 of 6250
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

He kind of predates you, but he is probably the most ignorable guy on this forum.

Excuse my English, but to be sure; does this mean I ignore or that I should be ignored?


















'Either', would be the easy answer.
post #2358 of 6250
Evidence of self-defense is really starting to pile up:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7Zyg1KO6Jg

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903

Traces of marijuana in system: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/18/trayvon-martin-post-mortem-drugs

Now we have even more evidence why Rush Limbaugh's term "drive-by media" is spot on. teacha.gif
post #2359 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post

Evidence of self-defense is really starting to pile up:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7Zyg1KO6Jg
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903
Traces of marijuana in system: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/18/trayvon-martin-post-mortem-drugs
Now we have even more evidence why Rush Limbaugh's term "drive-by media" is spot on. teacha.gif
Are traces of pot part of the self defense defense? confused.gif
post #2360 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post

Evidence of self-defense is really starting to pile up:
Traces of marijuana in system: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/18/trayvon-martin-post-mortem-drugs

lol.
post #2361 of 6250
Uh, drugs is the headline of the story, but it has a lot more in it, including an admission by Martin's father that it wasn't him recorded crying for help before the shooting. That explains why the PC affidavit says Momma ID'd the voice as Martins, but says nothing about the father.
post #2362 of 6250
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post

Evidence of self-defense is really starting to pile up:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7Zyg1KO6Jg
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903
Traces of marijuana in system: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/18/trayvon-martin-post-mortem-drugs
Now we have even more evidence why Rush Limbaugh's term "drive-by media" is spot on. teacha.gif
Are traces of pot part of the self defense defense? confused.gif

I think the "MMA style" beating is the weightier evidence but clearly he is no saint.
post #2363 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post

I think the "MMA style" beating is the weightier evidence but clearly he is no saint.

Dude, I'm perhaps the most anti-drug person here but even I hear "traces of pot" and go--so?
post #2364 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

If memory serves me correctly car jacking was one of the prime reasons for FLA to pass a CCW law. It's definitely the prime reason why out of State people can so easily acquire an FLA CCW permit. At one time carjacking was such a problem that it interfered with the tourist industry so they had to find a solution to get people back.
More gun history. Did you know that the gun control act of 68 was significantly fueled by a single mishap in 1967? Someone was shooting at a can or something like that a mile or two offshore. The bullet richocheted and killed a woman. It was big news because everyone thought a sniper was on the loose and the media spun it out of control. If I remember right the guy who was plinking came forward and said he may have been responsible. It was determined that the bullet matched his gun and I think when it was all said and done they decided that the death was accidental. By then the damage was done.
So where is all this going?
I think you'll see FLA revamp some of it's laws over the Zimmerman Martin case. In particular the stand your ground law. I don't think it'll go away completely but will remain intact if the incident occurs while you're in your home or car. Everywhere else I think they'll adopt a retreat clause. It also wouldn't surprise me if they make it a requirment that you have to be a legal resident of FLA to obtain their CCW permit. I would tend to think as well that they might tighten up their training standards.

Here's some gun history for you that you might enjoy: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/04/23/120423fa_fact_lepore

And I laugh every time some idiot talks about the kid smoking pot having any relevance. Oh he's not an angel. All those guys who smoke those crazy little doobies get amped up and get violent. Because, you know, it's not like amphetamines and adderall get you all shaky, jittery, overconfident, and ready to pounce. If you're going to make arguments one way or another, try not to be a complete retard in the process. It helps.
post #2365 of 6250
Unlike AF, who is officially neutral on this case but perhaps leaning one way.

Alan Dershowitz has come out and said "drop Z's murder charge"

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161?localLinksEnabled=false

I always had a sneaking suspicion that Dershowitz is a double agent Conservative and a closet racist.

More of the racist's Dershowitz's rant:

"Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin."

To be clear, I think that Z was 100% morally wrong but we are a nation of laws and rules, even if they sometimes rub the wrong way. If Z gets off because of a poorly written law it won't be the first or last time something like that happens.
post #2366 of 6250
It's been rumored that there might be a surveillance tape that captures the incident. Does anyone have any info on this?
post #2367 of 6250
The thing that strikes me about this story, looking back on it, is that Martin's supporters started out saying they wanted a fuller investigation of the shooting, claiming that evidence was being swept under the rug and so forth and so on.

And pretty much everything revealed by the media scrutiny that actually bears on the question of what happened has supported Zimmerman's story. Nearly all of the speculation has proven be false.

And has that changed their opinion that Zimmerman should hang? Doesn't seem that way.

Oh, and about the dope. It's interesting that Zimmerman said Martin appeared to be scoping out the houses, and we later find that he's been found with jewerly and burglary tools at school. He says Martin appeared to be under the influence of drugs, and we find that Martin had THC -- albeit an amount that seems to be inconclusive as to its proof of intoxication -- in his blood. I think that's pretty relevant in that it bolsters Zimmerman's story.

That, and the dope lends support to the various posts on the social media Martin was involved in, raising the question of the "swung on a bus driver" post that no one in the media seems to be interested in investigating.
post #2368 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The thing that strikes me about this story, looking back on it, is that Martin's supporters started out saying they wanted a fuller investigation of the shooting, claiming that evidence was being swept under the rug and so forth and so on.

And pretty much everything revealed by the media scrutiny that actually bears on the question of what happened has supported Zimmerman's story. Nearly all of the speculation has proven be false.

And has that changed their opinion that Zimmerman should hang? Doesn't seem that way.

Oh, and about the dope. It's interesting that Zimmerman said Martin appeared to be scoping out the houses, and we later find that he's been found with jewerly and burglary tools at school. He says Martin appeared to be under the influence of drugs, and we find that Martin had THC -- albeit an amount that seems to be inconclusive as to its proof of intoxication -- in his blood. I think that's pretty relevant in that it bolsters Zimmerman's story.

That, and the dope lends support to the various posts on the social media Martin was involved in, raising the question of the "swung on a bus driver" post that no one in the media seems to be interested in investigating.

Clearly, Z. is the very avatar of good judgment.
post #2369 of 6250
I didn't know he was on trial for having poor judgment. He's like those girls who go out dressed to be raped, right? Putting himself in the position where Martin could jump him and all.

Ironically enough everyone says Zimmerman was the racist for suspecting Martin, when it seems that his suspicion was well founded--- but now, you're arguing that Zimmerman was reckless in putting himself in a position where the sweet, innocent, harmless 12-year-old-looking-kid-who-was-just-trying-to-get-a-skittles-and-iced-tea could attack him. Zimmerman should have known Martin was dangerous and steered clear of him, right?

Do these two ideas conflict in your mind at all?
post #2370 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Unlike AF, who is officially neutral on this case but perhaps leaning one way.

Alan Dershowitz has come out and said "drop Z's murder charge"

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161?localLinksEnabled=false

I always had a sneaking suspicion that Dershowitz is a double agent Conservative and a closet racist.

More of the racist's Dershowitz's rant:

"Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin."

To be clear, I think that Z was 100% morally wrong but we are a nation of laws and rules, even if they sometimes rub the wrong way. If Z gets off because of a poorly written law it won't be the first or last time something like that happens.

I was going to post this. Thanks Arnold.

Duke lacrosse rape case, Part Deux.
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