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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Either he shot someone in self defense or he's a murderer. That's how it works. The legality or illegality of the handgun doesn't have any bearing on his self defense claim. Hope this has been helpful.

Yes it does because it was used in said self defense claim.
post #2312 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So when does this doctor's report get challenged as bogus?

I'm wondering why he wasn't taken to the hospital for an exam.
post #2313 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So when does this doctor's report get challenged as bogus?

I'm wondering why he wasn't taken to the hospital for an exam.

Cannot force a free man to submit to an exam. He was not arrested and refused to go to the hospital.
post #2314 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Cannot force a free man to submit to an exam. He was not arrested and refused to go to the hospital.

You're right. I would have just because I'm not thrilled of the idea of dying in my sleep because I had a concussion.
post #2315 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So when does this doctor's report get challenged as bogus?

It's immediately bogus because it does not fit the almighty media template of what happened. teacha.gif
post #2316 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

Yes it does because it was used in said self defense claim.

Ok, so just to be clear; I'm carrying a gun even though my permit expired. Someone attacks me and I shoot them; I am now a murderer, right? That is what you are saying, is it not? Because that, my friend, is both insane and wrong.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Ok, so just to be clear; I'm carrying a gun even though my permit expired. Someone attacks me and I shoot them; I am now a murderer, right? That is what you are saying, is it not? Because that, my friend, is both insane and wrong.

All gun owners/carriers are murderers, only a matter of time.
post #2318 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Ok, so just to be clear; I'm carrying a gun even though my permit expired. Someone attacks me and I shoot them; I am now a murderer, right? That is what you are saying, is it not? Because that, my friend, is both insane and wrong.

Neither insane or wrong. You are basically saying it's OK to be actively involved in a felony weapons violation and you use the illegally possessed weapon to defend yourself and kill someone. That's insane and wrong. If you abided by the law then a firearm would not be an issue would it? I firmly believe in self defense but it must be done in compliance with all pertinent laws. Can't have a gun then learn a martial art or just pick up the nearest rock if need be. Better yet learn something about situational awareness and avoid the shitty situation altogether. I'm having a real hard time understanding where you are coming from because well, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Basically you're saying it's OK to be involved in a criminal activity concerning possesion of a firearm as long as you use it lawfully. Sorry guy, it doesn't work that way.

I really hope you're not going to tell me you're an attorney and I don't know what I'm talking about. LOL.
post #2319 of 6250
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

All gun owners/carriers are murderers, only a matter of time.

O'Rly? How about some factual evidence to support your claim or are you just trying to stir the pot?
post #2320 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

Neither insane or wrong. You are basically saying it's OK to be actively involved in a felony weapons violation and you use the illegally possessed weapon to defend yourself and kill someone. That's insane and wrong. If you abided by the law then a firearm would not be an issue would it? I firmly believe in self defense but it must be done in compliance with all pertinent laws. Can't have a gun then learn a martial art or just pick up the nearest rock if need be. Better yet learn something about situational awareness and avoid the shitty situation altogether. I'm having a real hard time understanding where you are coming from because well, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Basically you're saying it's OK to be involved in a criminal activity concerning possesion of a firearm as long as you use it lawfully. Sorry guy, it doesn't work that way.
I really hope you're not going to tell me you're an attorney and I don't know what I'm talking about. LOL.
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Hi Matt. LOL.
post #2322 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

Neither insane or wrong. You are basically saying it's OK to be actively involved in a felony weapons violation and you use the illegally possessed weapon to defend yourself and kill someone. That's insane and wrong. If you abided by the law then a firearm would not be an issue would it? I firmly believe in self defense but it must be done in compliance with all pertinent laws. Can't have a gun then learn a martial art or just pick up the nearest rock if need be. Better yet learn something about situational awareness and avoid the shitty situation altogether. I'm having a real hard time understanding where you are coming from because well, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Basically you're saying it's OK to be involved in a criminal activity concerning possesion of a firearm as long as you use it lawfully. Sorry guy, it doesn't work that way.
I really hope you're not going to tell me you're an attorney and I don't know what I'm talking about. LOL.

I am an attorney and you have NO idea what you are talking about. I wouldn't need to be an attorney to figure that out, though. The law is actually not that complicated.
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776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

and this
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776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

The only exceptions are provocation (which is what most people who want to see the guy hang are going on, but of which there is really no evidence) and commission of a forcible felony. Carrying an illegal gun is not a forcible felony.
post #2323 of 6250
And just because I'm sure you have some imaginative quibble about the meaning of the term 'forcible'
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776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

And just because I'm sure you have some imaginative quibble about the meaning of the term 'forcible'

I'm surprised car jacking is a legal term.
post #2325 of 6250
Munch (and other lawyers), from reading what you just wrote it would seem Z walks if the law is applied as written?
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