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The positions on those HOA boards don't pay anything, so the most of the people who are interested in them are the kind of people who get off on telling others what to do.

I've read all the horror stories but really my HOA is run by a management company and is very professional. I can't understand how people do not see the value in a good HOA. All those examples I gave above are real reasons to have a good HOA. A good HOA should be about minimal restrictions designed to keep your property value up.
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I've read all the horror stories but really my HOA is run by a management company and is very professional. I can't understand how people do not see the value in a good HOA. All those examples I gave above are real reasons to have a good HOA. A good HOA should be about minimal restrictions designed to keep your property value up.

In my experience, good HOAs are few and far between. Congrats on finding one that treats you well, but that really is the exception rather than the rule.
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Zimmerman apparently purchased this from the jail store. I didn't know that jails had stores.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/george-zimmerman-buys-79-84-worth-items-jail-214706403.html

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post #1669 of 6250
I rented years ago in a place that was in the midst of a war inside its HOA. They were townhouses and the HOA decided it was time to repaint the units. The problem was that they picked a horrifying candy-colored alternating theme. I got the impression that this was done without many people knowing, however, given they were forced by residents to stop midway through painting because people started to realize how ridiculous their neighborhood had started to look. It spiraled into bickering and infighting over whether to let them keep going on basically throw away the considerable amount of money they'd already spent and start over with something less hideous. As a renter who knew his stay was finite, it was hilarious, but I'd have been livid if I were an owner.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I've read all the horror stories but really my HOA is run by a management company and is very professional. I can't understand how people do not see the value in a good HOA. All those examples I gave above are real reasons to have a good HOA. A good HOA should be about minimal restrictions designed to keep your property value up.

The problem is that not everyone has the same goal with HOAs, and your examples illustrate this. Some people would rather have a basketball hoop for their kids to use than an extra however-many-thousand dollars in home value.
post #1670 of 6250
Try co-op boards. Ugh.
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The problem is that not everyone has the same goal with HOAs, and your examples illustrate this. Some people would rather have a basketball hoop for their kids to use than an extra however-many-thousand dollars in home value.

Yes, but this goes to what we usually discuss "freedom" is. I always like the example that the right to swing my fist ends exactly where your nose begins. Extending that to this concept the reasonable use of your residential property extends to the point that it impacts the reasonable use and value of your neighbors. It's fine if you want to do something that impacts your property value but it's not so fine when your choices impact mine and/or my reasonable enjoyment and use.
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Try co-op boards. Ugh.

my wife was president of one once, hated it
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yes, but this goes to what we usually discuss "freedom" is. I always like the example that the right to swing my fist ends exactly where your nose begins. Extending that to this concept the reasonable use of your residential property extends to the point that it impacts the reasonable use and value of your neighbors. It's fine if you want to do something that impacts your property value but it's not so fine when your choices impact mine and/or my reasonable enjoyment and use.

So, what do you feel about people painting their houses new colors, or installing different types of windows? I'm not sure there is any right to the value of a house as determined by neighbors, or should there be. I understand wanting to control things so as to keep values up, but eventually it seems like doing so for financial reasons is a response to the wrong sorts of values.
post #1674 of 6250
It's not about freedom to do what you want with your property. That's zoning. Coops and HOAs are about freedom of contract. You agreed to submit yourself to them when you bought the property. Deal with it.

FWIW I'm from the middle of nowhere and have never had to deal with a HOA. Hope someday I get to pay one thousands of dollars a year to run a couple lights and cut the grass, though, yessir.
post #1675 of 6250
Some good reading.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t871331/
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This Zimmerman case is a perfect example of why we don't want Hispanics in our schools, neighborhoods and restaurants. But as bad as the 'spanics are, the nigra are more than twice as bad. In this case, the only mistake Zimmerman (the Hispanic victim) made was he neglected to double tap the nigra. As long as you're in the right with Stand Your Ground, and there was a clear cut need to shoot the criminal, he should have plugged him twice. Or as Danny Daley did last month in Ocala, he plugged Willie Chester till his Ruger .380 mini pistol ran out.

The Ruger mini .380 is a handy little item. At 9 ounces, it weighs less than a Derringer, yet holds like 7 rounds

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post #1676 of 6250
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Yes, but this goes to what we usually discuss "freedom" is. I always like the example that the right to swing my fist ends exactly where your nose begins. Extending that to this concept the reasonable use of your residential property extends to the point that it impacts the reasonable use and value of your neighbors. It's fine if you want to do something that impacts your property value but it's not so fine when your choices impact mine and/or my reasonable enjoyment and use.

So, what do you feel about people painting their houses new colors, or installing different types of windows? I'm not sure there is any right to the value of a house as determined by neighbors, or should there be. I understand wanting to control things so as to keep values up, but eventually it seems like doing so for financial reasons is a response to the wrong sorts of values.

I don't have all the answers and I'm not going to comment on what is a "wrong sort" and "right sort" of value.

What do you mean by "new colours?" Bright purple with pink polka dots? That might be fine in some area of SF or the Bay area but what if this was a neighborhood in Santa Fe with traditional style Santa Fe houses?
post #1677 of 6250
Well, I may detest a house with purple polka dots, but I would have no interest in stopping a neighbor from making his one. More than I have no interest in being told what to do with my house, I have less interest in having the ability to dictate to somebody else what they should do. If somebody wants to get freaky with their Santa Fe casa, let them do it.
post #1678 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yes, but this goes to what we usually discuss "freedom" is. I always like the example that the right to swing my fist ends exactly where your nose begins. Extending that to this concept the reasonable use of your residential property extends to the point that it impacts the reasonable use and value of your neighbors. It's fine if you want to do something that impacts your property value but it's not so fine when your choices impact mine and/or my reasonable enjoyment and use.

I get that, and I agree with that definition of "freedom." However, I don't agree with the way you're applying it here. I don't see how you can argue that, at least on its face, your right to enjoy a higher property value trumps your neighbor's right to shoot hoops with his kids.
post #1679 of 6250
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Well, I may detest a house with purple polka dots, but I would have no interest in stopping a neighbor from making his one. More than I have no interest in being told what to do with my house, I have less interest in having the ability to dictate to somebody else what they should do. If somebody wants to get freaky with their Santa Fe casa, let them do it.

I guess I'm one of those horrible HOA people. A house is the biggest investment most people will make in their lives and I do not think the actions of their neighbors should materially impact the value of that investment and I also do not think neighbors should be allowed to impact the reasonable and quiet enjoyment of their property.

Serious question: do you think your neighbor should be allowed to blast death metal all night long?
post #1680 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yes, but this goes to what we usually discuss "freedom" is. I always like the example that the right to swing my fist ends exactly where your nose begins. Extending that to this concept the reasonable use of your residential property extends to the point that it impacts the reasonable use and value of your neighbors. It's fine if you want to do something that impacts your property value but it's not so fine when your choices impact mine and/or my reasonable enjoyment and use.

I get that, and I agree with that definition of "freedom." However, I don't agree with the way you're applying it here. I don't see how you can argue that, at least on its face, your right to enjoy a higher property value trumps your neighbor's right to shoot hoops with his kids.

Did you read the entire example? Your peace and quiet is compromised by the constant "bounce bounce" noise of the ball and the general screaming of the kids. You are at the end of a cul de sac (I mentioned entering and exiting but did not express it clearly) and this impromptu court is between you and the entrance to the cul de sac. You have to approach carefully and sit there and wait for the kids to clear the court whenever you enter or leave.

Is this really fair?
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