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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post

What's the problem? Holder is completely unbiased and will only let the facts and the law guide him (unlike the war criminal who was previously president).

Now this is the kind of classic CE comment we haven't seen in a while. It's got all the hallmarks... partisan slant, fantasy land bias, and manages to be completely contradictory while being only one line long.

Excellent work.
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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post

What's the problem? Holder is completely unbiased and will only let the facts and the law guide him (unlike the war criminal who was previously president).

Why would you be so sensitive and perceive that I feel a problem?

I clearly state that Holder said ( he ) is completely unbiased and will only let the facts and the law guide him. And I have complete confidence that Holder will be completely impartial as he always is.

And then I linked the event where he announced it.

BTW: The "War Criminal" was not an AG and tended not to get involved in incidents like this one. You might remember ( or you might not ), I was one of GWBs biggest critics on SF and thought the Iraq invasion and occupation ( not war ), a complete mistake.
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

Now this is the kind of classic CE comment we haven't seen in a while. It's got all the hallmarks... partisan slant, fantasy land bias, and manages to be completely contradictory while being only one line long.
Excellent work.

You were posting as I was typing.

Are you some kind of amazing clairvoyant academic? I feel you can read my mind.

Note that no shit has been stirred up about my inclusion ( by link ) about he who has not been named.

It is extraordinarily difficult, but I bet you have the power to tell if my post that followed yours was serious or tongue in cheek.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

You were posting as I was typing.
Are you some kind of amazing clairvoyant academic? I feel you can read my mind.
Note that no shit has been stirred up about my inclusion ( by link ) about he who has not been named.
It is extraordinarily difficult, but I bet you have the power to tell if my post that followed yours was serious or tongue in cheek.

I aim to please!

Anyway, lest people read politics into my criticism; I'm saying that as a STATEMENT his is one of the laziest, least reflective, and unenlightened posts I've read in a long time. Maybe it didn't come out right, maybe it was posted while doing ten other things... but it's the best short condensation of everything I find wrong with CE, media debates, and virtually everything else I can think of.

Simplistic binary oppositions not conducive to the real world fitting an abjectly biased "hero/villan" narrative, supported by examples that have nothing to do with one another except that they sound nice for that narrative. Funny that it would be posted on the Trayvon thread, which had that problem from the START. It's all come home to roost, after 1500 posts.
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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post

What's the problem? Holder is completely unbiased and will only let the facts and the law guide him (unlike the war criminal who was previously president).
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

Now this is the kind of classic CE comment we haven't seen in a while. It's got all the hallmarks... partisan slant, fantasy land bias, and manages to be completely contradictory while being only one line long.
Excellent work.
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

I aim to please!
Anyway, lest people read politics into my criticism; I'm saying that as a STATEMENT his is one of the laziest, least reflective, and unenlightened posts I've read in a long time. Maybe it didn't come out right, maybe it was posted while doing ten other things... but it's the best short condensation of everything I find wrong with CE, media debates, and virtually everything else I can think of.
Simplistic binary oppositions not conducive to the real world fitting an abjectly biased "hero/villan" narrative, supported by examples that have nothing to do with one another except that they sound nice for that narrative. Funny that it would be posted on the Trayvon thread, which had that problem from the START. It's all come home to roost, after 1500 posts.
I am pretty sure it was also sarcasm and therefore said everything you have been saying in much less space.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I am pretty sure it was also sarcasm and therefore said everything you have been saying in much less space.

You win some; you lose some. I think I need another cup of coffee. wink.gif
Hope you are having a good morning, Dopey! (it's 6am in Japan!)

This is why one doesn't post while (snarked above) doing ten other things.
post #1507 of 6250
Lol. Zimmerman is so going to jail. The prosecution has the ability to print money. Z is unemployed. This is fantastic.
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I have read they plan to arrest Z vs. letting him turn himself in. HB, what drives that sort of decision and why one vs. the other?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I have read they plan to arrest Z vs. letting him turn himself in. HB, what drives that sort of decision and why one vs. the other?

If a defendant is perceived to be a flight risk, they will arrest him.

If the prosecutor or investigating agency wants publicity via a perp walk, they will arrest the defendant.

Self-surrender arrangements are usually seen in lower-stakes cases or ones in which the defendant has worked something out well in advance. I would not have expected to see one in this case if there were charges filed, and the fact that his supposed attorneys held a press conference saying they couldn't find him probably torpedoed whatever slim chance there might have been.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I am pretty sure it was also sarcasm and therefore said everything you have been saying in much less space.

Sir:

You win the Internet.

VTY,

Z
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The special prosecutor looks like she is a real devil.gif. She's owning the press conference, and with a smile.
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Originally Posted by retronotmetro View Post

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I have read they plan to arrest Z vs. letting him turn himself in. HB, what drives that sort of decision and why one vs. the other?

If a defendant is perceived to be a flight risk, they will arrest him.

If the prosecutor or investigating agency wants publicity via a perp walk, they will arrest the defendant.

Self-surrender arrangements are usually seen in lower-stakes cases or ones in which the defendant has worked something out well in advance. I would not have expected to see one in this case if there were charges filed, and the fact that his supposed attorneys held a press conference saying they couldn't find him probably torpedoed whatever slim chance there might have been.

Thanks for the insight.

Another question: did she go for second degree because the jury can always come back with a lesser count (they won'!) but this way she can still go for the home run of a murder conviction?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Thanks for the insight.
Another question: did she go for second degree because the jury can always come back with a lesser count (they won'!) but this way she can still go for the home run of a murder conviction?

This is better for Z, he was becoming unraveled waiting for a decision either way. His family were getting threatened which is out of line and this arrest and charge will dispel that.


As far as the victim's family is concerned, it's a good thing they didn't get the same prosecutor used in the Casey Anthony trial.
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From what little info is out there, it does sound like he turned himself in. But again, that could have been the result of the prosecution calling to say "get in here immediately before the arrest team (and news cameras) have to find you."

I don't know firsthand how they select charges in Florida, but I assume they do what most prosecutors do and charge the most serious offense that the evidence could support, with some allowance for litigation risk. She seems smart enough to avoid using the murder 2 charge purely as a "lotto ticket" count thrown in on top of a lower charge that she thinks is a sure winner.
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