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Originally Posted by ldegeneve View Post

C'mon, let's be real here. No one, including Zimmerman, would have openly said "I think he's suspicious because he's black." Racism in our society is subtle, yet pervasive, and reverberating (clearly). You think Zimmerman would have been as suspicious if the kid was white? Asian?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Again, let's be real. We think black people are more dangerous. That's why we have people like Geraldo Rivera running around telling "black and Latino kids especially" not to wear hoodies. Yes, because it makes them look less dangerous than they already are, by virtue of looking like they do.
And people actually call this "practical advice." The problem isn't just Zimmerman. It's us.

What are you suggesting? Seriously. How many black rapist murders have you been alone in a room with?

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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

He didnt say either quite clearly.

He probably did say it quite clearly. But it wasn't recorded clearly.

That's a good thing. It means we aren't all being recorded twenty four seven by our betters.

Fuck you.
post #1307 of 6250
I don't think he said "coons" either.

More likely he said "punks".

But I have to agree with jp that neither was said "quite clearly".

And the reason I think it more likely that he said punks is that while he might have been an overzealous gung-ho " armed neighborhood watch type ", there is no evidence that he was overtly racist. AAMOF things like his mentoring of the black kids, his mixed ancestry, and the statements of people that knew him ( as opposed to the many, many statements issued by people that did not know him ) make me thing he was someone that perhaps was too much a cop wannabe and too gung-ho as a peudo cop. But believe it or not that does not automatically make him a racist!
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post

Well, I finally listened to the audio and actually, the reason Z said he was suspicious was because he was walking around in the rain, stopping and looking at houses, and maybe on drugs or something.. Saying that he was black was a direct response to a question from the dispatcher asking if he was white, black or hispanic and was not a reason given by Z as to why he felt T was suspicious.

C'mon, let's be real here. No one, including Zimmerman, would have openly said "I think he's suspicious because he's black." Racism in our society is subtle, yet pervasive, and reverberating (clearly). You think Zimmerman would have been as suspicious if the kid was white? Asian?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Again, let's be real. We think black people are more dangerous. That's why we have people like Geraldo Rivera running around telling "black and Latino kids especially" not to wear hoodies. Yes, because it makes them look less dangerous than they already are, by virtue of looking like they do.

And people actually call this "practical advice." The problem isn't just Zimmerman. It's us.


Do you really think two Hispanic men, Z and Rivera, are really worried about being deemed "racist?" I mean, when Rivera mentions Latino kids, you realize he is the father of some?
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

3. Piece of human garbage stupidly kills other piece of human garbage who is also dumb. Entire state of Florida should be kicked out of the union.

LOL
post #1310 of 6250
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

He didnt say either quite clearly.

Yes he did.
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Originally Posted by ldegeneve View Post


Again, let's be real. We think black people are more dangerous.

Well, statistically speaking, they are. Not that that means any given individual black person is, nor does it mean we should apply the laws any differently or allow a lower standard of evidence when one party is black.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

What are you suggesting? Seriously. How many black rapist murders have you been alone in a room with?

Huh?

I'm suggesting that there is a huge problem of racism in this society. Some people are deemed more dangerous than others. And look what happens.

I'm suggesting there are racist attitudes that are at work here in this very thread. That there are subtle prejudices in the things that are being said.

I'm suggesting that we should be honest about these prejudices. Look, society/culture/economy has formed us in a way that we don't ever have to be alone in a room with a black rapist murderer to think that, for whatever reason, a black kid is more dangerous than an Asian one. This whole shitstorm is an ugly manifestation of that belief.

Don't you think we have to address that? Or do you think racism is over, that this is just an anomaly, and I'm just a crazy person?
Edited by ldegeneve - 4/1/12 at 8:11pm
post #1312 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Do you really think two Hispanic men, Z and Rivera, are really worried about being deemed "racist?" I mean, when Rivera mentions Latino kids, you realize he is the father of some?


Of course I realize he's the father of Latino kids. Doesn't let him off the hook though. Would you not agree that there is racism in what he said?

Again, it's basically like saying "Oh hey, people think we're dangerous. Well, nothing I can do about that, so I better change myself."
Instead of confronting the mistaken belief (read: prejudice) in the first place.

That's what's so messed up. Racism is so pervasive and internalized that we kinda just accept it and pass it on as advice. At the end of the day this isn't about Zimmerman or Rivera, it's about us and confronting the existing prejudice we have.
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This thread is special for activating two sleeper socks.
post #1314 of 6250
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Originally Posted by ldegeneve View Post

Huh?
I'm suggesting that there is a huge problem of racism in this society. Some people are deemed more dangerous than others. And look what happens.
I'm suggesting there are racist attitudes that are at work here in this very thread. That there are subtle prejudices in the things that are being said.
I'm suggesting that we should be honest about these prejudices. Look, society/culture/economy has formed us in a way that we don't ever have to be alone in a room with a black rapist murderer to think that for whatever reason a black kid is more dangerous than an Asian one. This whole shitstorm is an ugly manifestation of that belief.
Don't you think we have to address that? Or do you think racism is over, that this is just an anomaly, and I'm just a crazy person?

I think you're a crazy person.
post #1315 of 6250
I still think he said cunts.
post #1316 of 6250
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/01/3529330/trayvon-martin-case-shows-complexity.html

Maybe we all need to carry race identity cards. I think Stalin's regime also required that.
post #1317 of 6250
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Originally Posted by ldegeneve View Post

At the end of the day this isn't about Zimmerman or Rivera, it's about us and confronting the existing prejudice we have.

Hopefully, if there is a trial, it will be about Zimmerman and Trayvon and the facts of that encounter as well as they can be determined and not anything to do with "us" confronting existing prejudice.
post #1318 of 6250
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

I still think he said cunts.

Nobody cares what you think. Are you in FL?
post #1319 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

What are you suggesting? Seriously. How many black rapist murders have you been alone in a room with?
He probably did say it quite clearly. But it wasn't recorded clearly.
That's a good thing. It means we aren't all being recorded twenty four seven by our betters.
Fuck you.

One, but he was strapped to a chair. Only time I felt I had experienced true Evil.
post #1320 of 6250
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Originally Posted by ldegeneve View Post

Of course I realize he's the father of Latino kids. Doesn't let him off the hook though. Would you not agree that there is racism in what he said?
Again, it's basically like saying "Oh hey, people think we're dangerous. Well, nothing I can do about that, so I better change myself."
Instead of confronting the mistaken belief (read: prejudice) in the first place.
That's what's so messed up. Racism is so pervasive and internalized that we kinda just accept it and pass it on as advice. At the end of the day this isn't about Zimmerman or Rivera, it's about us and confronting the existing prejudice we have.

You should probably confront the issue that causes you to see "our prejudices" as the most important societal ill which needs to be confronted in this case.
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