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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Look, he needs to face a jury, okay? Why hasn't he uploaded a video?

p.s. last thing about the "tragic" issue... words take on social and colloquial meanings well beyond whatever their original narrow meanings. I mean, if I say Z looks "sinister" I doubt somebody will say, "ZOMG he's not even left handed!! ARRRRGH!"

I like eric a lot, and I myself have certain words that drive me crazy when people misuse them, but in this case I still have to disagree with him and have been unable to follow some of his analysis on this thread. Anyway, with this one point... many literary terms are used this way... tragic, irony, metaphor, etc. I'm waiting until "litotes" takes on a social meaning, as it's my personal fave.
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I like 25th Hour, Inside Man, and Clockers. Summer of Sam is ok too.

I'm sorry but you've just joined AThingForCashmere on my ignore list. lol8[1].gif j/k

I am glad Eric posts here too. In fact, I white knighted him at least once. But just because I'm glad he posts here doesn't mean I like whatt he posts. wink.gif
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I loved Crooklyn.
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

Was jpierpont being serious when he said he retweeted it?
If so, I think it's sad. Tragic, even. lol8[1].gif He was also calling for the man's death earlier in the thread. I thought we'd gotten through to him at least to wait a bit and see what the investigation turned up, but I guess not. I think regardless of one's OPINIONS of this case, to do something like that is irresponsible and, quite frankly, vile.
I hope the couple at least sues Spike for a lot of "emotional distress." His last few movies have completely sucked anyway and he's largely a self-caricature.
I really don't get how those who do these kinds of things don't see the irony (tragic) in rounding up a 21st century e-mob to go out and do some lynching because their version of "justice" was faster and more satisfying than the legal one. To the lawyers, if something DID happen to that couple (or to Z if that had been his real address), could Lee or others be held accountable?
I don't agree with much of this. Unfortunately I can get rather ig'nant online no good excuse for it. I would blame the mob but I have actually avoided talking to other black folks about this topic. I guess it is just too easy to press a button online. I do still think he is guilty tho.
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

There will always be openings in a lynch mob. Its unfortunate that today's lynch mob is not comprised of rural villagers, but instead includes journalists, civil rights leaders, and educated* sartorialists like jpierpoint.
I truly hope that a similar lynch mob doesn't form around this story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html
I have never described myself as educated.
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

Let jp off the hook. We all make mistakes and I trust he wouldn't do the same, even if it were the right address, given the chance to redo. People act badly when emotions get high, and my experience with him is that he is a solid guy.
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. It was a stupid move.
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

I don't agree with much of this. Unfortunately I can get rather ig'nant online no good excuse for it. I would blame the mob but I have actually avoided talking to other black folks about this topic. I guess it is just too easy to press a button online. I do still think he is guilty tho.

I understand; I often feel that immediate gut feeling when I read a story of (supposed) gay-bashing or whatnot; it's very natural and easy to imagine us (or someone very close to us) being affected.

But, again, guilty of WHAT? Murder? Hate crime? Being a jerk? What exactly do you want, and what would you be willing to accept? He is certainly "guilty" of shooting Trayvon under unfortunate circumstances... and maybe even ones that will be liable in some way criminally. BUT, again, that's different from deliberate murder given his deep-down hatred/racism of an angelic child spreading lotus blossoms with his every step. Would "negligent homicide" be enough? Some-degree manslaughter? Just a trial (meaning acquittal will be acceptable, too, if that's warranted?)

These are rhetorical questions, mostly... not things I'm expecting/wanting to be discussed in this rather crappy thread. I think we've really done about as much as we can.

I think you're a good poster and I respect your honesty; so many are being disingenuous out there about this, that it is refreshing to hear somebody who is honest about what their feeling and conflicted about exactly what is "right" or best overall.
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In other news, apparently as Spike Lee was apologizing for tweeting the wrong address, Roseanne Barr twat the correct one.
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^talk about revolting; Roseanne is a waste of 310-otherwise-usable pounds of meltable hogfat.

As I said (dozens) of pages ago, I've tried to put myself or this case into something I might understand, to see if I'd feel the same way or could understand the uproar and cognitive dissonance. I don't know if I have, but I can still understand the sentiment.

A neighborhood had some child abductions and molestations, and one night a gay man was walking home when a neighborhood watch started following him, thinking he looked suspicious. The gay men ended up getting killed. Would I feel the same way, and call for the "killer's" lynching? I hope I wouldn't... and would be willing to retain the same skepticism I have with the media coverage of this event. BUT, as an homage to jpierpont's honesty here... I can't say I really would. Maybe I'd be right here or at a rally calling for the "homophobe's" figurative (or literal) lynching. Molestation and homosexuality do NOT go together! So, how dare he "profile" that man? well, neither really do "black kids" and crime (correlation not being causation).

We just don't know how these things will affect us, and I guess (even though we may be right) it's easy to sit on the sidelines and be skeptical when the story seems a million miles away from anything we know or can feel. The daily situation of a young black youth in Florida is a far cry from me and my life...
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This tweeting of addresses is so self-centered. Makes the person doing it feel...well, I don't quite know what positive feeling they get from it...and they do not think about all the people it impacts. I mean, even since the twat has tweeted the correct one, what did his parents do to deserve this? What did all their neighbors do to deserve what's going to happen around that house?

Self centered pricks.
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Racially motivated attack:


http://now.msn.com/now-plus/0329-school-soccer-assault.aspx

You can clearly hear her say "I'm gonna kill you honky bitch, white ass bitch."
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

You can clearly hear her say "I'm gonna kill you honky bitch,."

No sir; she clearly said, "I'm gonna spill your wonky hootch." The voiceless bilabial fricative just gives it away.

(J/K!!!) lol8[1].gif
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^talk about revolting; Roseanne is a waste of 310-otherwise-usable pounds of meltable hogfat.
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war on women
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I'm happy to see that while we all agree that racism and homophobia are Bad Things, misogyny is just dandy.
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Originally Posted by imatlas View Post

I'm happy to see that while we all agree that racism and homophobia are Bad Things, misogyny is just dandy.

If there were anybody who would appreciate a good twat joke it would be Roseanne Barr.
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Edited by Lighthouse - 3/29/12 at 4:47pm
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Why is calling a truly horrible female a "twat" misogyny and no one raises an eyebrow if a nasty man is called a "dick?"

Aaannnndddd, Z's father is apparently playing the race card (or so Navarette claims):

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/opinion/navarrette-white-hispanic/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Even so, that Zimmerman's father opted to play the "Hispanic card" to protect his son's reputation is unfortunate. I don't know if he ever described his son as Hispanic or half-Hispanic before the shooting. But it is awfully convenient that he would be so quick to describe him that way now.

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I don't know...but here's a nasty little accusation I'll spit out in any event.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Why is calling a truly horrible female a "twat" misogyny and no one raises an eyebrow if a nasty man is called a "dick?"
Aaannnndddd, Z's father is apparently playing the race card (or so Navarette claims):
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/opinion/navarrette-white-hispanic/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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I don't think consistency is the point.
Edited by Lighthouse - 3/29/12 at 4:48pm
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