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^Ewww gross. And I thought the thread was bad BEFORE...

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You're right, I should just accept that you know exactly how a altercation went down although you were nowhere near it. Certainly it is impossible that someone could be struck in the face and still have the wherewithal to fight back. I mean, nobody ever has so why would Z be the first?
How the fuck would you know how anyone, Special Forces or otherwise, would react after shooting someone in the chest?

Dude don't be a dumbass. Someone asked me why I was having difficulty believing Zimmerman's account and I listed my reasons which are obviously personal and subjective. Calling them conclusory is stupid. Move on.
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Tagut, your collection of girls in erotic poses/situations is... well it sure is something.

"Kenneth CHamberlin. Travon Martin. Troy Davis. #i ask are you tired of injustices. when are you ready to put a DA in office who will fight for true justice?"

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^Ewww gross. And I thought the thread was bad BEFORE...
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she's not even that hot. confused.gif
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

Dude don't be a dumbass. Someone asked me why I was having difficulty believing Zimmerman's account and I listed my reasons which are obviously personal and subjective. Calling them conclusory is stupid. Move on.

It is plausible that while there are no external signs of trauma, Zimmerman perhaps has evidence of a concussion from having his head slammed into the ground. I've been knocked out playing rugby before with no bruises from the head on tackle.

However, unless Zimmerman has been training with that pistol for years I have trouble wrapping my head around how he managed to bring the weapon to bear in the middle of having his head bounced onto concrete and not only manage to not empty the cartridge, but place two shots right into the kill zone.

I have a feeling that Trayvon may have disengaged after the initial tackle and ground + pound, turned around to see Zimmerman going for the pistol and tried to grab the gun, thereby setting off the chain of events.
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^Ewww gross. And I thought the thread was bad BEFORE...
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she's not even that hot. confused.gif

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Cops are clearly lying and covering for Z. They're all paranoid racist bully white Hispanics in it together.

As a well-known internet bigot, I don't always side with hispanics, but when I do, I prefer white hispanics.
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It is plausible that while there are no external signs of trauma, Zimmerman perhaps has evidence of a concussion from having his head slammed into the ground. I've been knocked out playing rugby before with no bruises from the head on tackle.

Sure that is a possibility, however his lawyer stated that he had a big gash on the back of his head but the paramedics who examined him did not see a reason to even put a band-aid on his head. Also, they neither observed nor heard anything in the description of the events that warranted taking him in for observations and people are very paranoid about concussions and such these days.
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well maybe, like Wolverine, he has mutant ultra-healing capabilities. Way to pre-judge again, 22
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As much as I am enjoying Cross22's mini meltdown, I have to say I am a bit convinced by his argument that the skill of the shooting as described by Z and friends is not particularly in line with the understanding I am getting of this tubby wannabe rent-a-cop. I am unconvinced, in light of the police report, that he had no injuries. A video won't change this unless it is an exam room one. There are lots of different possible stories, from Akatsuki's favorite where a mean, racist white man stalks gated communities shooting hapless black children to the equally odd mid-beating fat schlub remembers firearm training and double taps the guy like a pro. The likelihood is that this killing looked like most stupid, unpremeditated killings, and that nobody is going to be able to have their big electoral win on it, despite the hopes of the media on day one, and that chubby is going to have to do some very uncomfortable time in jail.
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

Sure that is a possibility, however his lawyer stated that he had a big gash on the back of his head but the paramedics who examined him did not see a reason to even put a band-aid on his head. Also, they neither observed nor heard anything in the description of the events that warranted taking him in for observations and people are very paranoid about concussions and such these days.

The articles I've read have noted that Zimmerman declined medical care at the scene and went the next day on his own. This says to me that it was offered by the paramedics and he said he didn't want it.

Whether or not that supports, contradicts, or impacts at all his injury claims is obviously subjective, but I don't think it says anything about the paramedics' view of the severity of his injuries.
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Presumably the reports meant he declined to go to the hospital rather than that he declined any attention whatsoever.
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well maybe, like Wolverine, he has mutant ultra-healing capabilities. Way to pre-judge again, 22
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

As much as I am enjoying Cross22's mini meltdown, I have to say I am a bit convinced by his argument that the skill of the shooting as described by Z and friends is not particularly in line with the understanding I am getting of this tubby wannabe rent-a-cop. I am unconvinced, in light of the police report, that he had no injuries. A video won't change this unless it is an exam room one. There are lots of different possible stories, from Akatsuki's favorite where a mean, racist white man stalks gated communities shooting hapless black children to the equally odd mid-beating fat schlub remembers firearm training and double taps the guy like a pro. The likelihood is that this killing looked like most stupid, unpremeditated killings, and that nobody is going to be able to have their big electoral win on it, despite the hopes of the media on day one, and that chubby is going to have to do some very uncomfortable time in jail.

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This concludes my mini meltdown on this topic.
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My post is all conjecture.

What I want to know more about is how the whole thing escalated into a physical brawl (before Z fired his weapon). Z has said he lost track of M after that first sighting.

From what I read, then M walks up to Z , and starts beating up on Z after after a brief verbal exchange.

Given what Z has reportedly said of this exchange (something like Martin saying "Do you have a problem" and shortly thereafter, “Well, you do now.”), I find it hard to believe that someone would start a fight like this unless there was a prior interaction between them. Some possibilities could be:

(a) M observed Z following him around, resents it and then comes back to start a fight and/ or
(b) M and Z have already had a verbal confrontation a few minutes before, and/ or
(c) They have history; i.e. have had an 'exchange' on a previous day

M (AFAIK) has not been to have had any mind altering drugs in his system, either.

It just doesn't seem right that one walks up to a dude and starts whaling on them 'just like that'. But I could be living a sheltered existence.
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