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Is midnight blue shawl collar appropriate for a black tuxedo?

post #1 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:18am
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Hi all, first post, long time lurker. I'm having a MTM tuxedo done for my wedding. Shawl collar, single button, side vents. My first choice for fabric was midnight blue, but this would have been 50% more expensive than the black I went with. I'm wondering if it's appropriate to get the shawl collar made in this midnight blue for a bit more style. I've seen this done, albeit rarely, most popularly by Jeremy Renner on the red carpet (http://www.esquire.com/the-side/style-guides/red-carpet/jeremy-renner-2011-oscars#slide-6).

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post #2 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:25am

That looks a bit lighter than midnight blue to me, though I suppose it's under directly sunlight, and one rarely sees dinner suits in daylight. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but query whether you want to draw extra attention to your lapels. Shawls are already a bit unusual these days. It's much more common to see black lapels on a midnight tux.

 

As an aside, I feel your pain regarding the price of a midnight tux. It's very disappointing that the reasonably priced MTM brands don't seem to offer midnight navy options for tuxes. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

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post #3 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:27am
Don't do it.
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post #4 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:29am
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I think that color fabric isn't stocked, and that is why is it so expensive for the the first guy that wants the tux made in this color. I bet that had I ordered the tux in midnight blue, a whole lot of that fabric would have been ordered and the next guy would not be charged 50% more.
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post #5 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:31am
wait, you want to put a blue shawl collar on a black tux? Do i have this right?

if so, about mission
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post #6 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by hitchedsoon View Post

Hi all, first post, long time lurker. I'm having a MTM tuxedo done for my wedding. Shawl collar, single button, side vents. My first choice for fabric was midnight blue, but this would have been 50% more expensive than the black I went with. I'm wondering if it's appropriate to get the shawl collar made in this midnight blue for a bit more style. I've seen this done, albeit rarely, most popularly by Jeremy Renner on the red carpet (http://www.esquire.com/the-side/style-guides/red-carpet/jeremy-renner-2011-oscars#slide-6).
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That's horrible. Listen to manton.
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post #7 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:36am
abort..abort...abort!!
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post #8 of 28
3/18/12 at 9:39am
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Ok. The same guys that don't like the blue collar on a black suit- do you like a black collar on a blue suit?
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post #9 of 28
3/18/12 at 10:02am
Yes, that looks fine, that's what I did.
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post #10 of 28
3/18/12 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Yes, that looks fine, that's what I did.


Yep, that way round looks fine (and I have it too). Not sure why it looks fine, compared to the reverse, but somehow it does to my eye.

 

Anyway, leaving that issue aside, I can't understand why it would cost an MTM supplier twice as much to have a tux made in midnight navy rather than black? Most midnight navy cloths suitable for a DJ & trousers are in the same book as the black ones, aren't they (at least that's what I recall when I was looking through them)? I can't see why one should cost more. What am I missing?

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post #11 of 28
3/18/12 at 10:36am
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Yep, that way round looks fine (and I have it too). Not sure why it looks fine, compared to the reverse, but somehow it does to my eye.

Anyway, leaving that issue aside, I can't understand why it would cost an MTM supplier twice as much to have a tux made in midnight navy rather than black? Most midnight navy cloths suitable for a DJ & trousers are in the same book as the black ones, aren't they (at least that's what I recall when I was looking through them)? I can't see why one should cost more. What am I missing?

I would expect that there would be reasonable blacks in much cheaper books...
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post #12 of 28
3/18/12 at 11:05am
I too remain baffled as to why a fabric in midnight blue would kick the total price up at all over black. To the OP: What was the fabric collection, pray tell?

Would agree that putting midnight blue lapels on a black jacket would be "off."
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post #13 of 28
3/18/12 at 11:21am
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I don't remember the origin of the fabric, but the blacks offered to me at a reasonable price were in stock. When I asked for a midnight blue, I was shown a navy with the explanation that he doesn't stock a darker midnight navy appropriate for a tuxedo. So it's not the fabric per se that pushes up the price for a midnight ball, it's that this color fabric is not in inventory and must be ordered. I don't know the inner workings of the textile business but I suspect that fabrics are ordered in bulk amounts. I also suspect that the price for the first suit utilizing fabric that must be ordered is higher; perhaps he can't guarantee that this new fabric will sell in a reasonable amount if time. Again, the latter bits I'm speculating on. I am very bummed that I couldn't get a midnight blue, but his price for an all black was very good and he has a good reputation on this forum. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too at this price point frown.gif
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post #14 of 28
3/18/12 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightly View Post

That looks a bit lighter than midnight blue to me, though I suppose it's under directly sunlight, and one rarely sees dinner suits in daylight. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but query whether you want to draw extra attention to your lapels. Shawls are already a bit unusual these days. It's much more common to see black lapels on a midnight tux.

As an aside, I feel your pain regarding the price of a midnight tux. It's very disappointing that the reasonably priced MTM brands don't seem to offer midnight navy options for tuxes. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
+1 to everything in there; it looks lighter than midnight, black on midnight but not midnight black, and does anyone have links to OTR midnight blue tuxedos?
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post #15 of 28
3/18/12 at 11:33am
As soon as I see the words "midnight blue" before "tuxedo," I know its someone who's read a lot of magazines and is just looking to be kind of rebellious and unique in a way that, unfortunately, everybody else will be too.
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