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Is midnight blue shawl collar appropriate for a black tuxedo?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hi all, first post, long time lurker. I'm having a MTM tuxedo done for my wedding. Shawl collar, single button, side vents. My first choice for fabric was midnight blue, but this would have been 50% more expensive than the black I went with. I'm wondering if it's appropriate to get the shawl collar made in this midnight blue for a bit more style. I've seen this done, albeit rarely, most popularly by Jeremy Renner on the red carpet (http://www.esquire.com/the-side/style-guides/red-carpet/jeremy-renner-2011-oscars#slide-6).

Thanks
post #2 of 28

That looks a bit lighter than midnight blue to me, though I suppose it's under directly sunlight, and one rarely sees dinner suits in daylight. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but query whether you want to draw extra attention to your lapels. Shawls are already a bit unusual these days. It's much more common to see black lapels on a midnight tux.

 

As an aside, I feel your pain regarding the price of a midnight tux. It's very disappointing that the reasonably priced MTM brands don't seem to offer midnight navy options for tuxes. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

post #3 of 28
Don't do it.
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
I think that color fabric isn't stocked, and that is why is it so expensive for the the first guy that wants the tux made in this color. I bet that had I ordered the tux in midnight blue, a whole lot of that fabric would have been ordered and the next guy would not be charged 50% more.
post #5 of 28
wait, you want to put a blue shawl collar on a black tux? Do i have this right?

if so, about mission
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by hitchedsoon View Post

Hi all, first post, long time lurker. I'm having a MTM tuxedo done for my wedding. Shawl collar, single button, side vents. My first choice for fabric was midnight blue, but this would have been 50% more expensive than the black I went with. I'm wondering if it's appropriate to get the shawl collar made in this midnight blue for a bit more style. I've seen this done, albeit rarely, most popularly by Jeremy Renner on the red carpet (http://www.esquire.com/the-side/style-guides/red-carpet/jeremy-renner-2011-oscars#slide-6).
Thanks

That's horrible. Listen to manton.
post #7 of 28
abort..abort...abort!!
post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ok. The same guys that don't like the blue collar on a black suit- do you like a black collar on a blue suit?
post #9 of 28
Yes, that looks fine, that's what I did.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Yes, that looks fine, that's what I did.


Yep, that way round looks fine (and I have it too). Not sure why it looks fine, compared to the reverse, but somehow it does to my eye.

 

Anyway, leaving that issue aside, I can't understand why it would cost an MTM supplier twice as much to have a tux made in midnight navy rather than black? Most midnight navy cloths suitable for a DJ & trousers are in the same book as the black ones, aren't they (at least that's what I recall when I was looking through them)? I can't see why one should cost more. What am I missing?

post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post



Yep, that way round looks fine (and I have it too). Not sure why it looks fine, compared to the reverse, but somehow it does to my eye.

Anyway, leaving that issue aside, I can't understand why it would cost an MTM supplier twice as much to have a tux made in midnight navy rather than black? Most midnight navy cloths suitable for a DJ & trousers are in the same book as the black ones, aren't they (at least that's what I recall when I was looking through them)? I can't see why one should cost more. What am I missing?

I would expect that there would be reasonable blacks in much cheaper books...
post #12 of 28
I too remain baffled as to why a fabric in midnight blue would kick the total price up at all over black. To the OP: What was the fabric collection, pray tell?

Would agree that putting midnight blue lapels on a black jacket would be "off."
post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 
I don't remember the origin of the fabric, but the blacks offered to me at a reasonable price were in stock. When I asked for a midnight blue, I was shown a navy with the explanation that he doesn't stock a darker midnight navy appropriate for a tuxedo. So it's not the fabric per se that pushes up the price for a midnight ball, it's that this color fabric is not in inventory and must be ordered. I don't know the inner workings of the textile business but I suspect that fabrics are ordered in bulk amounts. I also suspect that the price for the first suit utilizing fabric that must be ordered is higher; perhaps he can't guarantee that this new fabric will sell in a reasonable amount if time. Again, the latter bits I'm speculating on. I am very bummed that I couldn't get a midnight blue, but his price for an all black was very good and he has a good reputation on this forum. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too at this price point frown.gif
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightly View Post

That looks a bit lighter than midnight blue to me, though I suppose it's under directly sunlight, and one rarely sees dinner suits in daylight. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but query whether you want to draw extra attention to your lapels. Shawls are already a bit unusual these days. It's much more common to see black lapels on a midnight tux.

As an aside, I feel your pain regarding the price of a midnight tux. It's very disappointing that the reasonably priced MTM brands don't seem to offer midnight navy options for tuxes. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
+1 to everything in there; it looks lighter than midnight, black on midnight but not midnight black, and does anyone have links to OTR midnight blue tuxedos?
post #15 of 28
As soon as I see the words "midnight blue" before "tuxedo," I know its someone who's read a lot of magazines and is just looking to be kind of rebellious and unique in a way that, unfortunately, everybody else will be too.
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