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post #421 of 702
I have no issues with the pacing of this season. The season has a nice arc and hate when shows or movies try to cram character back stories so quickly up front just to get to the climax.
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I think we all had a hunch a big character was going to be killed off this season. Once Don told Lane to resign and leave, it was clear Lane felt desperate and it was only further pushed once his wife bought him the Jag. Just when Don was trying to strive for more out of his company, he is hit with Lanes' suicide. Don did the right thing by letting Lane resign on his own accord.

Looking back on the episode, Lanes' line of "Bon Voyage" was quite the foreshadow and double entendre as if to relate to Joans' vacation as well as his suicide.

I really hate that friend of Sally. Gives off the ultimate creeper feel.

The ending was great. I cannot wait for the season finale.
post #422 of 702
Remember when Megan took Don to the play where they had a monologue from a man talking about watching ads and vomiting, then we see Lane vomiting with his new Jag in the foreground.

I really liked Lane. He surpassed Pete as my favorite character other than Don. I wonder how Don will deal with his Death. Was his first thought to get him down because he still had some affection for Lane, or simply because that's what he thinks is an appropriate response to death, like when Bobby wore the dead soldier's hat and Don made him take it off?

Sally's friend was always a creeper. I cant tell if he's such a good little actor to deliver lines in such a creepy way or if he's simply like that. I think he creeps Sally's actress out a little because her acting seems a little off when she's around him.

What a great shot.
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Backstory: Jaguar is currently running an ad campaign called "Feel Alive."
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post #423 of 702
This show is so dense that i feel like rewatching all previous 4 seasons. It's difficult distinguishing all the story plots and remembering which season they belong too.
post #424 of 702
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What a great shot.
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For a brief second, I thought we might get a surprisingly literal take on the titles.

The snow was a beautiful touch.
post #425 of 702
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I really hate that friend of Sally. Gives off the ultimate creeper feel.
the mustache was ultimate creeper status
post #426 of 702
He had the creepy Kevin Pereira/Sidney Crosby mustache goin on. happy.gif
post #427 of 702
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I have no issues with the pacing of this season. The season has a nice arc and hate when shows or movies try to cram character back stories so quickly up front just to get to the climax. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I think we all had a hunch a big character was going to be killed off this season. Once Don told Lane to resign and leave, it was clear Lane felt desperate and it was only further pushed once his wife bought him the Jag. Just when Don was trying to strive for more out of his company, he is hit with Lanes' suicide. Don did the right thing by letting Lane resign on his own accord.
Looking back on the episode, Lanes' line of "Bon Voyage" was quite the foreshadow and double entendre as if to relate to Joans' vacation as well as his suicide.
I really hate that friend of Sally. Gives off the ultimate creeper feel.
The ending was great. I cannot wait for the season finale.

I would agree that the overall arc is very good, we are seeing the costs of business and the evolution (revolution?) of Don's relationship with his wife, children, and his business. However, I still maintain that the writers kind of boxed themselves into a corner, forced to put so many twists and turns into this last few episodes that I believe the initial 5 episodes could have been somewhat condenses in terms of their overall story, not so much the tone or overall arch. I guess I am just not very fond of Jessica Pare and feel her character arc was somewhat flat..is she turning into another Betty or will continue to be the calming influence Don needs? I am not sure.
post #428 of 702
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I didn't think of this. The symbolism is well done. Also remember some of the literature at the time focused on suicide and hopelessness in the face of rampant commercialism, economics taking on more value than human life and we can see the corporate machine becoming more rampant (Dow chemical, the corporations being more demanding with fees). It is not completely out of tune with the literature and such of the time to have a character commit suicide. However, it did seem somewhat "quick" for lack of a more eloquent term. I feel like this season has one flaw, the early episodes were too slow in terms of overall plot development and we focused so much on Don's marriage and other domestic affairs that it feels like this storyline of the office politics and such seems compressed and disjointed (we have had nearly 3 episodes in a row of stunning, wild, character turns and upheaval). I could have done with less of Don and Megan dragging each other to the floor and more focus on other aspects of the story.
Just my 2 cents.
Sad though, I liked Lane. I felt he was interesting character who had more opportunity to grow. He had some good set pieces. I wonder if any budget/political considerations were involved in the decision to kill his character off or if this was planned for some time?

Regarding your questioning of the timing: a majority of the time, it is rather spur-of-the-moment, sadly.
post #429 of 702
What struck me over the last few episodes was that Don felt like control was slipping away. At the beginning of the season, he was happily oblivious with his "child bride" (I lol'd when Betty said that last night) and blowing off work. But now, he's got Ginsberg coming up with all the best ideas, a wife that would rather fail at acting than succeed at advertising, Peggy off to work at a competitor and a world that is becoming hostile to "commercialism." Don being Don, he doubles down and goes for Dow Chemical and coaches them on marketing napalm. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

As for the Lane storyline, I am definitely sad to see him go. What a tragic figure. He gets tons of shit from Sterling Cooper when PPL brings him in, is instrumental in helping start the new firm, doesn't appear to have drawn a paycheck for the last three years and now is not just getting bounced from SCDP, but from the United States. Granted, stealing that amount of money ($56K in today's money) is way out of line. I actually groaned when his wife showed him the Jaguar that she bought: "I wrote a check!" Thanks for the memories, Lane. I'll always remember you as the man who showed that grimy little pimp Campbell what's up:
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post #430 of 702
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I actually groaned when his wife showed him the Jaguar that she bought: "I wrote a check!" Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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I did as well. And that clip is one of the most satisfying moments of this season.
post #431 of 702
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Regarding your questioning of the timing: a majority of the time, it is rather spur-of-the-moment, sadly.

As a psychologist I know this all too well. I have heard many anecdotes about patients who suddenly commit suicide even when being monitered for it. However, I think Lane commiting suicide was a bit of a shock to me in that he didn't seem clinically depressed. Dissapointed, definitely. Narcissistically wounded, of course. But completely hopeless? I recognize he greatly disliked living in the UK, but, he was a good financial officer who could have gotten another job rather easily (especially considering Don was going to cover the whole thing up), especially considering the admiration he recieved from the 4A's man. Obviously, this was a rash, in the moment decision fueled by his shame and guilt. I guess that is why it is called tragedy.

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What struck me over the last few episodes was that Don felt like control was slipping away. At the beginning of the season, he was happily oblivious with his "child bride" (I lol'd when Betty said that last night) and blowing off work. But now, he's got Ginsberg coming up with all the best ideas, a wife that would rather fail at acting than succeed at advertising, Peggy off to work at a competitor and a world that is becoming hostile to "commercialism." Don being Don, he doubles down and goes for Dow Chemical and coaches them on marketing napalm. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
As for the Lane storyline, I am definitely sad to see him go. What a tragic figure. He gets tons of shit from Sterling Cooper when PPL brings him in, is instrumental in helping start the new firm, doesn't appear to have drawn a paycheck for the last three years and now is not just getting bounced from SCDP, but from the United States. Granted, stealing that amount of money ($56K in today's money) is way out of line. I actually groaned when his wife showed him the Jaguar that she bought: "I wrote a check!" Thanks for the memories, Lane. I'll always remember you as the man who showed that grimy little pimp Campbell what's up: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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I did as well. And that clip is one of the most satisfying moments of this season.

This is what I will remmeber Lane for. He was not what I would call a man of honor, but definitely had the courage to stand up to Pete.
post #432 of 702
I thought it was a great episode!

The fact that Don went home and told Megan about Lane's fraud was refreshing. He never would have told Betty anything about the office.

Lane's suicide was not all that surprising, he's always been weak.

I was a little surprised that Don didn't tell Glenn to stay the hell away from his daughter, but I loved the fact that the kid wanted more than anything else was to drive a car - refreshing innocence.

And I certainly hope that the actor playing Glenn isn't really as creepy in real life. I prefer to just think he's doing a good job with the character.
post #433 of 702
I don't know how creepy he is, but I do know he's Matthew Weiner's son.
post #434 of 702
He is a lousy actor on the order of Sofia Coppola who should not be on the show.

At least when David Chase put his daughter on the Sopranos, he gave her almost no screen time or plot relevance. She was there briefly in Season One and then again in a cameo in one scene in season seven. She was a better actor than this kid.
post #435 of 702
The car driving scene was awesome. Don vicariously experiencing something innocent and new through the kid after "causing" Lane's suicide. Don was the one that got the most out of the driving transaction.
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