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post #27511 of 28951
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

I am curious though - if what you are describing is very little stretching over a lengthy period of time (10 years) - how is that definitively attributable to the trees, as opposed to other aspects of fit and wear? 

I think it's the trees. I have a pair of JLs here that are about eight years old, and I've worn them maybe one or two times (bought new, not second hand, not factory seconds, etc). Also have a number of EG shoes that I only wear maybe once every two or three years. They also have the same issue.

I don't think anyone would argue against the idea that you run into serious diminishing returns. The difference between using no trees and generic trees is obviously bigger, and represents more value for your money. It's just a question of whether you want to spend that extra bit to not deal with those minor issues. Seems totally dependent on each person. I'm just saying the effect is there.
Edited by dieworkwear - 7/3/16 at 12:35pm
post #27512 of 28951
I don't think Woodlore epic twin turbo trees are all they're made up to be. I'm sure they fit well with AE and Alden shoes given their more bulbous lasts, but not for more elegantly shaped shoes. I've experienced way too much height at the vamp pushing up and deforming a shoe. It was abundantly clear for my Carmina shoes and J FitzPatrick shoes on the first try, so much so that I immediately took them out and replaced them with more shapely trees. I wouldn't dare put a Woodlore twin turbo in a dramatically shaped shoe like a GG. "Generic" fitting trees are fine as long as the fit reasonably well with the last. I'm just a little bit pickier with my trees than most, and will certainly take lasted trees when it's available.

Regarding bespoke makers opinions on lasted trees, I think lasted trees are only as good as the fit of a given last. If your foot doesn't fit the last, lasted trees won't provide their intended benefit. For example in the Carmina Rain last I need substantially more width at the forefoot and height at the instep. Over time my feet certainly will (and have) stretch(ed) the shoes in those trouble areas. If I had lasted trees for the rain last, it would be pointless for the reason that they wouldn't fill the morphed-to-my-absurdly-wide-feet shoes.

For bespoke shoes that are supposed to fit your foot perfectly with pretty much no stretching anywhere, lasted trees are a must and will help keep the shoe in the shape that fits your foot.
post #27513 of 28951
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

RJman had an article a few years ago about the value of lasted trees. I can't find it at the moment because it's not in the new ASW archive, but I remember thinking he was crazy. With as many shoes as I own, I wasn't really trying to pay $100-150 per pair for shoe trees.

Then I started noticing small things here and there on particularly old shoes. Mostly sides that were slightly deformed (even though they had well-fitting generic trees).

Last year, I spoke to a couple of bespoke shoemakers, who also said they thought lasted trees are important. There's always some amount of pressure with non-lasted shoe trees, so over a period of ten years or so, you end up stretching the shoes a little bit.

Obviously, whether that trivial of an issue warrants spending so much on trees depends on each person, but I decided to just switch to lasted trees where I can.
which shoes do you have lasted trees on? lasted trees have disappeared significantly over the past 10 years.
post #27514 of 28951
And yet you can find lasted trees on eBay and on the buying and selling marketplace fairly regularly. EG shoe trees are effective! Also, top drawer and mto orders via trunk shows often have trees included.
post #27515 of 28951
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

I think it's the trees. I have a pair of JLs here that are about eight years old, and I've worn them maybe one or two times (bought new, not second hand, not factory seconds, etc). Also have a number of EG shoes that I only wear maybe once every two or three years. They also have the same issue.

I don't think anyone would argue against the idea that you run into serious diminishing returns. The difference between using no trees and generic trees is obviously bigger, and represents more value for your money. It's just a question of whether you want to spend that extra bit to not deal with those minor issues. Seems totally dependent on each person. I'm just saying the effect is there.

Two things:

1) How many shoes do you currently own?

2) You are right, some shoe trees (provided by the shoe maker or otherwise/3rd party) deform the shoes. I've used sandpaper to mold the shoe trees as needed.
post #27516 of 28951
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post



2) You are right, some shoe trees (provided by the shoe maker or otherwise/3rd party) deform the shoes. I've used sandpaper to mold the shoe trees as needed.

 

I've done the same and had great results. Highly recommend doing so. 

post #27517 of 28951
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I've done the same and had great results. Highly recommend doing so. 
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post #27518 of 28951
In case anyone's interested, I'm selling EG Chelsea cap toe shoes in a 202 last in a 9.5E and 10E. The color is a dark oak:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/525686/nib-edward-green-chelsea-cap-toe-202-last-dark-oak-antique-calf-9-5e-and-10e
post #27519 of 28951
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Originally Posted by stifler View Post

In case anyone's interested, I'm selling EG Chelsea cap toe shoes in a 202 last in a 9.5E and 10E. The color is a dark oak:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/525686/nib-edward-green-chelsea-cap-toe-202-last-dark-oak-antique-calf-9-5e-and-10e

Your pricing is near retail. Lovely shoes.
post #27520 of 28951
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

Your pricing is near retail. Lovely shoes.

Thanks. Retail is about $1,300 from what I've seen online. I should mention, I'm open to offers.
post #27521 of 28951

My first pair of EG Beaulieu in Midnight Blue. Pretty pleased so far but can't decide on which shoe trees yet. 

 

 

 

 

post #27522 of 28951
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Originally Posted by kelvw View Post

My first pair of EG Beaulieu in Midnight Blue. Pretty pleased so far but can't decide on which shoe trees yet. 












Pretty sure the epic style shoe trees would be great!
post #27523 of 28951
You'd be better served with a hand carved solid Bocote wood & palladium tubed pair of shoe trees.
post #27524 of 28951
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

You'd be better served with a hand carved solid Bocote wood & palladium tubed pair of shoe trees.

I hand carve all of my shoe trees personally. I prefer reclaimed chestnut for the aesthetics
post #27525 of 28951
Carving is so cruel to the wood. For this errand, I keep a fleet of Norwegian virgins on staff to shape pieces of cedar or mahogany through erosion between their thighs.
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