@michaelvl do you mind sharing pictures wearing your shoes/boots for comparison purpose? Thanks
I can take some pictures tomorrow of more of my E.G. collection, it is almost midnight here in The Netherlands, so I am going to bed soon. I have E.G.'s that are half a size too large to a full size too large, the majority are in the correct size. I have personal experience in wearing shoes that are too large as wel as wearing shoes in the correct size.
How incorrect sizing effects the structure, fit and creasing over time I can clearly demonstrate. Here below are two pictures of my Galways that I referred to, they are also MTO's on the 888 and have been worn more than a 100 times, and have been walked in heavily and worn without concern. These are almost due for a full resole. The pictures have been taken with the flash on to show any issues the uppers may have, the creasing IRL looks even less because the shoes are a lot darker IRL, the actual color of the shoes is Bronze.
I took them a few weeks ago for another member that asked me some questions about sizing and fit to illustrate what in my opinion acceptable creasing should look like on heavily worn shoes.
Just curious if you have ever experienced this: Shoes fit really well at the shop, but after a few wears at home/work/outside etc, you started recognising that fit is not as good as what you used to think ?
I have experienced this problem many times , the reason is that you wear the shoes or boots in the shape for maybe five or ten minutes and think they are fine but during a full day once your feet swell they start to feel uncomfortable. I have bought a and sold about five pairs of Galway boots on the 82 last just because I though they fitted me in the shop but you learn by experience.
Now these were the boots I needed when I was in NYC past weekend.....I had a pair of old double monks with commando soles thinking I will be good but I was ankle deep in snow/slush everywhere I went haha
Thank you gents as always for your kind words!
You should have grabbed the Kentmeres from your store before going out to NYC. You are the one who sent me these!
Your response does not surprise me at all. When I talk about a snug fit I am not talking about a fit that severely hurts ones foot when wearing the shoe, I mean that the shoes sort of hugs the foot all around without cramping the foot in any manner. Maybe on the first 3-8 wears my shoes may hurt my small toe on the right foot because my right foot is just a tad bigger than my left, and sizing up half a size would cause the shoes to be way too big on my left foot especially after they have been truly broken in.
What I feel that many people overlook when trying on a pair, is that the shoe will break in, this is inevitable. Wearing shoes that are too large for you will not prevent the cork filled sole from giving in somewhat and molding to your foot. The leather will stretch across the vamp due to moist, heat and motion, the cork filled sole will give in after some wears due to the heat your foot gives off and your body weight. So if the shoes are snug or loose on initial fit, you can know of a fact as the will gain some more volume in the forefoot/midfoot area after more and longer wears.
Furthermore if the laces are already almost closed on initial fit they are only going to close even more after as the shoes beak in. How are you going to tighten your shoes once your laces fully meet each other? Please explain Justin.
Look at some pics of your brand new pairs of shoes below. They already have deep, wide and ugly creases across the vamp (first wears), the laces are almost closed, and the shaft of your Galways look terrible. Dude you have some serious issues. Down the road the issues you already have will only get worse. My Galways per example I have worn almost a 100 times and done heavy miles in them and are now due for a full resole. They have uppers that look almost brand new, with only some superficial creasing across the vamp and are extremely comfortable yet still snug Explain that? My explanation to this is that you are wearing shoes that are too big for you.
Follow Justins advice and you will get Justins outcome. Just saying.
My advice is to go to the store, preferably E.G. themselves and have them take your size with a Bannock device, say the Bannock devices says you are a UK7E, try the UK7E and go off that, if they feel too loose, try and experience a UK6 1/2E. Do a similar reevaluation for the UK 6 1/2E. Have the fitter feel how you foot fills the shoe if you are inexperienced, he will check the fit of the shoe at various key points (heel, vamp, instep, toe box), then wear and experience this shoe for 200 hours before buying another shoe from the same brand. After the break in, you should go back to the fitter in the same pair of shoes and have him check the fit again. Have him check the same key points as well as the creasing etc. If all is well then you know you size for that brand on that specific last. With E.G. that same size will likely be good over all their lasts. Take my advice and you will get my results (well fitting shoes).
Disclaimer: Not every sales rep with a Bannock device knows how to truly fit someone correctly. I have been given terrible advice buy sales reps of John Lobb in Paris and by C&J NYC. I recommend Alex from E.G. Paris when it comes to fitting.
I find many differences between our opinions which I value being able to have a discussion here about.
Fitting issue: laces close on a shoe due to instep. I have a lower instep and most of my laces close if i pull them tight enough but you isolated 2 pairs of my many pairs that I post here. Are you saying those 2 don't fit? Because across the vamp, heel, and toe box they are extremely comfortable. There is no physical way to fit my foot in a shoe smaller without distorting my foot which I don't plan on doing.
For the sake of this discussion you also chose to post pictures of me wearing my shoes and your picture of your shoes being unworn. Of course there will be angles when trying to take a picture but from the look of your boots and mine they crease in the same spot. I wear my shoes with the intent of walking in them so creases will happen. If you say my shoes don't fit due to the creases then i will suggest try walking and you will see all shoes crease, it's the nature of them unless you walk on your heels and don't flex your foot.
Lastly I've mentioned before and will mention again, everyone has different preferences on how shoes will fit. I was merely giving my opinion on a fitting based on my experience. I walk anywhere from 3-6 miles a day in my shoes and I have a level of comfort I know I need and prefer. Every single shoe you criticized are actually more comfortable than shoes you describe as snug fitting and more open lacing.
I again respectfully disagree with every point you brought up but I appreciate you giving us your experience.
3-6 miles a day? What do you do that makes you walk 3-6 miles each day in dress shoes?
Originally Posted by SuitedDx
I live in NYC and I walk at least 5-6 miles during the weekday and slightly more on weekends.
Originally Posted by rbhan12
So do I, but 5-6 miles a day is a lot, and we're New Yorkers. Pretty sure JK is in California.
Retail management. If you have an iPhone health app tells you steps and miles. I use the pacer app and it's accurate. My brother has a Fitbit and when we travelled my steps were within 100 steps of his.
For the close lace thing, I think it has more to do with instep instead of snugness. No matter how snug I wear my EG, my laces always close up.
As for the snug fit and creases, my snuggest fit - Chelsea 82 last gets creases on the second wear. FYI, my 82 Chelsea is so snug that after a long walk my feet hurt in the toe area. Again, I think this has something to do with your feet. If you have low instep your feet just can't fill the inner vamp area so it is going to crease inevitably.