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Originally Posted by SuitedDx View Post

That counter finish "cracking" has been really prevalent lately... But it's only on the doak finishes where I've seen them. Got a Bauxite recently and the heel is fine. I wonder if it's the source of the doak and it's not interacting well with the burnishing.

Yes, don't ignore this cracking. Exchange it for a refund.

 

I recieved a pair of EG in Dark Oak recently, and they exhibited this cracking that you are seeing. The leather is quite dry, and the cracking gets worse very quickly with wear.

There is clearly a problem with the dark oak recently, the quality is simply not up to scratch and is far beneath that of other EG shoes I own.

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Yes, don't ignore this cracking. Exchange it for a refund.

 

I recieved a pair of EG in Dark Oak recently, and they exhibited this cracking that you are seeing. The leather is quite dry, and the cracking gets worse very quickly with wear.

There is clearly a problem with the dark oak recently, the quality is simply not up to scratch and is far beneath that of other EG shoes I own.


I received a pair of doak Dovers from Steve at GF and they looked fine, but all of this makes me want to do another look tonight.  To avoid cracking/regular TLC, what conditioner does everyone prefer for their EGs?

post #24768 of 28954
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Nothing wrong with these, in my opinion. Shoes cease to be perfect after the first wear anyway. The slight misalignment of the toe seam adds character and uniqueness. Wear in good health, my friend.
Good that you can tolerate such. I don't really mind subtle things like misaligned brogueing or slightly off finish, but I wouldn't count such effects as character. Moreover, uniqueness is done intentionally to stand out of the crowd; however, such lasting appears more inattentive.

These things with AE, and to a greater extent Vass, I can expect; however, EG used to pride itself with its finishing and detail and lately this has not been up to standard.

In regards to "cracking" it looks like superficial burnishing effects. From my ignorant point of view (as I'm not a shoemaker) it looks like the burnish was done using wax instead of dyes (akin to cracking on spit shine shoes). I of course could be very wrong...
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Originally Posted by atia2 View Post

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Nothing wrong with these, in my opinion. Shoes cease to be perfect after the first wear anyway. The slight misalignment of the toe seam adds character and uniqueness. Wear in good health, my friend.



Are you joking? I am sorry but I think this is a very inappropriate comment! if the gentlemen paid full price this is not acceptable and he should be fully refunded if he bought them at the factory shop or a warehouse sale then maybe I can understand he should have checked the fault before purchasing.
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That misaligned toe seam could not possibly add anything remotely related to "character" as I understand the term.  It is an obvious flaw that would be both distracting and annoying to me as the owner.

 

This clearly is not some minor defect only visible with the aid of high-resolution macro-photography.  It will be staring right back up at you every moment that the shoe are worn.

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Originally Posted by atia2 View Post
 

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Nothing wrong with these, in my opinion. Shoes cease to be perfect after the first wear anyway. The slight misalignment of the toe seam adds character and uniqueness. Wear in good health, my friend.


The issue with the heel, as much as can be told from a picture, MIGHT be something I could live with, but the very off center stitching on the toe is not "character", it's a fault. Now if the fault doesn't bother the purchaser, that's fine, but it is a fault. I would send them back for the toe stitching issue.

 

Edit: @RogerP beat me to it.

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I think the cracking is due to the shoe sitting for how long before they are purchased? I mean a Dover or Chelsea in dark oak is a pretty cookie cutter shoe from EG so I'm sure there is some sort of high level of inventory causing more pairs to sit around. Nothing to fret in my opinion. The split toe does bother me a touch and I would reach out to seller/store and see if there is a swap out or a heavy discount.

Good luck man. Sorry to see it on such a pretty pair of shoes
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Originally Posted by SuitedDx View Post


Good that you can tolerate such. I don't really mind subtle things like misaligned brogueing or slightly off finish, but I wouldn't count such effects as character. Moreover, uniqueness is done intentionally to stand out of the crowd; however, such lasting appears more inattentive.

These things with AE, and to a greater extent Vass, I can expect; however, EG used to pride itself with its finishing and detail and lately this has not been up to standard.

In regards to "cracking" it looks like superficial burnishing effects. From my ignorant point of view (as I'm not a shoemaker) it looks like the burnish was done using wax instead of dyes (akin to cracking on spit shine shoes). I of course could be very wrong...

+1.  But it´s the leather again.

 

"Regarding you recent shoe purchase, a certain amount of natural marking of the calf skins that we use should be expected, this does not affect the wear qualities of the shoes. How much is acceptable can differ from person to person. We suggest that you consider these points and if you are still unhappy you need to contact the retailer who should be happy to help you resolve the issue, this may or may not involve them sending the shoes back to us, but this is the course of action you should take"  

 

From EG in a similar case posted here recently.

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I think the cracking is due to the shoe sitting for how long before they are purchased? I mean a Dover or Chelsea in dark oak is a pretty cookie cutter shoe from EG so I'm sure there is some sort of high level of inventory causing more pairs to sit around. Nothing to fret in my opinion. The split toe does bother me a touch and I would reach out to seller/store and see if there is a swap out or a heavy discount.

Good luck man. Sorry to see it on such a pretty pair of shoes


I have experienced this "cracking" on dark oak, and my purchase was MTO and was therefore not sitting on a shelf.

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I have experienced this "cracking" on dark oak, and my purchase was MTO and was therefore not sitting on a shelf.

I stand corrected. Thanks for commenting. Clearly my thoughts were wrong. I will have to side with the posters above who said it must have to do with more of a wax vs dye finish on the leather then.
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I stand corrected. Thanks for commenting. Clearly my thoughts were wrong. I will have to side with the posters above who said it must have to do with more of a wax vs dye finish on the leather then.

That certainly sounds possible, as this defect appears to materialise on the toe and heel.

 

That said, the dark oak leather on my pair definitely feels drier than on my other EGs. I am hoping this will change with conditioning over time.

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Galways today. "Winter" in Northern CA.
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I believe the alarm over this cracking may be exaggerated. I have purchased both firsts and seconds (rejects) with similar issues to the pictured cracking. (As I said in an earlier post, the shoes in question should definitely be returned for the horribly botched toe seam.) But for people who see cracking in new or old shoes--yes cracked polish or broken burnishing can occur after wear--there is a relatively simple fix.

In my experience, the cracking is from the burnishing and polish job being poorly, heavily, or unevenly executed, which is not completely different from a cracked mirror shine. It is not by definition a flaw in the leather, as far as I have experienced. I recognize that if you receive a pair of new A1 Edward Green shoes, they should be flawless. And there is nothing wrong with sending them back; everyone should receive exactly what he wants at this or any other price point.

However, it is possible to eliminate the cracked finish by removing the burnishing and polish in the problem area with a leather cleaner and conditioner, such as Sapir Renovateur or the equivalent. Once done, you are left with smooth conditioned and uniformly colored leather. From this state, you can build up a brand new antiqued /burnished or highly polished effect with some polish and rubbing.

The truth is Edward Green's trademark burnishing is really more of a topical finish that looks fantastic, but it can easily be removed by weather, wear, and/or shoe care products. Likewise this trademark can also break or crack on new or used shoes.

Again, I would want new shoes, especially MTOs to exhibit seemingly perfect finishing. However, some cracked burnishing would not necessarily slow me down. Access to quality shoe care products and some knowledge can work wonders and address issues.
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Originally Posted by esteban View Post

Need some advice from the SF community. Was very pleased to acquire a pair of Dovers recently but was dismayed upon unboxing.

As you can see below, the split toe alignment on the left shoe is off and the leather near the heel looks to be quite dry and starting to crack already.

Do you guys think I could restore the leather with some oil or conditioner or polish? Or would I be better off to just deal with the hassle of an exchange and not risk the leather further deteriorating?

Thanks In advance for any input. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



I had a pr with a similar off center toe stitch which I returned. Very poor craftsmanship.
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Are you joking? I am sorry but I think this is a very inappropriate comment!

 

Are you joking? I can't think of anything less inappropriate than offering an opinion when one has been requested. You are, of course, welcome to disagree with it.

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