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Originally Posted by jerrybrowne View Post

Also there is no heel counter. Pretty sure these are equivalent to EG ectons.

I wasn't aware of the Ecton EG model. Will do some further research, thanks.
post #1142 of 14466
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Originally Posted by jerrybrowne View Post

Also there is no heel counter. Pretty sure these are equivalent to EG ectons.
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Originally Posted by LS7 View Post

I wasn't aware of the Ecton EG model. Will do some further research, thanks.

That's the Ecton

EGEcton.jpg

The difference is a set of additional facings (underneath the lacings) which the Carter does have but not the Ecton.
post #1143 of 14466
The Ecton's are different to the RL Carters, here is a pic of a pair of Ecton's (not mine).
The Ecton's are basically a 3 eyelet version of the Dover, without the heel counter and with a single sole.

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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

quite nice

Thanks
post #1145 of 14466
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Originally Posted by LS7 View Post


Yes, the RLPL Carter has 3 eyelets, as opposed to 5 on the Dover. Here are the pair I have

 

 

damn,  some nice shoes rite there, thanks for posting

 

 

 

 

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That's the Ecton
EGEcton.jpg
The difference is a set of additional facings (underneath the lacings) which the Carter does have but not the Ecton.

 

 

Like these too-  they seem to work quite well without the heel counter.

post #1146 of 14466
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Originally Posted by Pliny View Post


damn,  some nice shoes rite there, thanks for posting






Like these too-  they seem to work quite well without the heel counter.

Not bad wtihout the heel counter but I prefer them with . . .
post #1147 of 14466
EG E width is NOT equal to an American D. At least in EG's view, and from my experience also. How can you know for sure? There is only one width printed on the inside, but two lengths. It is true that for many, if not nearly all, British makers, an E does equal a US D. C&J is a good example.

All of my Greens are marked D, and that is my US width also.

Of course you should choose the fit you like. Green's philosophy is that shoes should fit snugly in width, like a slipper. Snugger than many Americans are used to.
Edited by 89826 - 9/8/12 at 6:44pm
post #1148 of 14466
It does come down to fit. I wear 8.5/9E which I find to be equivalent to a US D (almost). But it does come down to the last and how it fits you.

I believe that there are some posts here in this thread stating that EG shoe width sizing is the same in the UK and US. I take that to mean an EG shoe with the UK/US size labeled E at BB indicates a UK E. But if you require a UK D (narrow) then I see what you are driving at.

Others may care to comment or correct my interpretation.
post #1149 of 14466
Gsu,
But it would also indicate a US E, no?
post #1150 of 14466
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Originally Posted by bengal-stripe View Post

A traditionally handmade ‘split-reverse’ (‘stormwelt’ in English) looks something like this:

welt.pngWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The leather strip is partially split; the lower section is stitched underneath while the upper section forms a lip
against the shoe. Unlike the Goiserer/Bentivegna, you won’t see any additional stitching on the outside of the shoe:[

Yes, the stormwelt/split reverse is quite different from goiserer and bentivegna. It's essentially just a normal welt with a lip running around the outside.

Funnily enough, if you look at Alden's storm welt, they have faux stitching on the top split lip, which makes it look like it's Bentivegna construction, when it's really just a normal welt with a lip (i.e. the stitching does not run through the upper to the insole). I think this is called "fudge" stitching.
post #1151 of 14466
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Originally Posted by gsugsu View Post

It does come down to fit. I wear 8.5/9E which I find to be equivalent to a US D (almost). But it does come down to the last and how it fits you.
I believe that there are some posts here in this thread stating that EG shoe width sizing is the same in the UK and US. I take that to mean an EG shoe with the UK/US size labeled E at BB indicates a UK E. But if you require a UK D (narrow) then I see what you are driving at.
Others may care to comment or correct my interpretation.

I think the EG "E" width is much closer to a U.S. "D" width. Maybe a "D+" but certainly not an U.S. "E" and the EG "D" is narrower than a U.S. "D."
post #1152 of 14466
So the Brendon might actually be more of an Ecton boot than a Dover boot . . .
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Originally Posted by PhiloVance View Post

Promised some pics of the RLPL Brendon aka EG Halifax - double-soled on the 89 last in dark oak:
With flash:



Natural Light:



post #1153 of 14466
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Originally Posted by gsugsu View Post

It does come down to fit. I wear 8.5/9E which I find to be equivalent to a US D (almost). But it does come down to the last and how it fits you.
I believe that there are some posts here in this thread stating that EG shoe width sizing is the same in the UK and US. I take that to mean an EG shoe with the UK/US size labeled E at BB indicates a UK E. But if you require a UK D (narrow) then I see what you are driving at.
Others may care to comment or correct my interpretation.

All EG's I have seen show both the UK and US length and a single width, e.g. 10.5/11B. Therefore, I would conclude that they do not have a width coding specifically for the US.
post #1154 of 14466
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Originally Posted by PhiloVance View Post

So the Brendon might actually be more of an Ecton boot than a Dover boot . . .

Comparing the picture of the 'Brendon' (which I've never seen before) to my four eyelets 'Halifax' (which is the boot version of the 'Dover'), I believe it is actually the same boot (same pattern) with just a different arrangement of the eyelets.

At one time, EG did offer the 'Halifax' with five eyelets. Again it was the identical pattern, just the eyelets were a bit closer spaced to get five pairs into that same space. Judging by the picture, the 'Brendon' might be the five eyelets 'Halifax' version with the bottom two let off. The eyelets look closer together than on my four eyelets version.

Here is the five and the four eyelet version of the ;Halifax:
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IMG_2788.jpg

halifax_l.jpg

Actually my mistake, looking at the pictures again, there is a difference in the pattern between 'Brendon' and 'Halifax'. The bottom corner, where the lowest eyelet sits is cut off on the 'Brandon'.
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Originally Posted by PhiloVance View Post

So the Brendon might actually be more of an Ecton boot than a Dover boot . . .

I'm not sure about that. I would take the heel counter as being more definitive measure of the extrapolation of a shoe to a boot, rather than the number of eyelets. I think the number of eyelets from a shoe to boot conversion is always something that may change because the lacing and elongation up the ankle is one of the main components of the difference. I think it is safe to say, however, if anything, it is a mixture of both.
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