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post #16 of 160
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Originally Posted by pnutpug View Post

Most bosses have bosses. If I were that boss's boss and found out that a top performer got canned for his suits, there'd be a new boss. If the OP's friend is willing to go public, it would make for a great lawsuit--something along First Amendment grounds--that would likely get picked up by the media, resulting in deserved public humiliation for the boss and perhaps a job offer from a more enlightened company.

Exactly, that's what I thought
post #17 of 160
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Really? I would have thought luxury cars/holidays would be more accountable rather than clothes

Well this assumes that his boss has a concept of what the clothes cost. I think if you are spending tens of thousands of dollars a year on suits and don't have the salary or clout to justify doing so, it's on par with wearing expensive watches or driving an expensive car. I will say, however, most bosses would have no idea how much clothes cost. I do, however. Hence why I said "If I were the boss" I would have a problem to a certain level.
post #18 of 160
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

Perhaps your friend could have an action under the employment law? I am no expert on this but since no clear reason was mentioned, your friend might be able to argued the unjust redundancy and ask court for an injunction?
Even the employer had asked your friend to dress down, the scope of 'dressing down' is pretty large, I could have claimed wearing a less colourful tie means 'dressing down', while keeping everything else. And really if your friend was a top performer, your boss should really keep a good asset in his company
Or put it that way, since your friend is good in his job, surely he can use this as a advantage for his future job interview
That is just my uneducated guess.....
Or did I put too much time on a troll thread?
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Originally Posted by pnutpug View Post

Most bosses have bosses. If I were that boss's boss and found out that a top performer got canned for his suits, there'd be a new boss. If the OP's friend is willing to go public, it would make for a great lawsuit--something along First Amendment grounds--that would likely get picked up by the media, resulting in deserved public humiliation for the boss and perhaps a job offer from a more enlightened company.

How has the government restricted his speech?
post #19 of 160
Sounds like a weird market-research experiment.
post #20 of 160
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Originally Posted by pnutpug View Post

Most bosses have bosses. If I were that boss's boss and found out that a top performer got canned for his suits, there'd be a new boss. If the OP's friend is willing to go public, it would make for a great lawsuit--something along First Amendment grounds--that would likely get picked up by the media, resulting in deserved public humiliation for the boss and perhaps a job offer from a more enlightened company.

Not quite an apples to apples example, but I'll share an instance of this coming into play:

My father worked for a very, very large company for over 30 years and worked his way to senior management. On one occasion he was in Las Vegas entertaining clients when one of his employees (a junior level guy making less than $50,000 a year) won big (over $35,000). Now my father was not overly upset with the gambles he took and was actually a bit impressed he was able to secure that much money after starting with only a few hundred bucks. However, when the man walked away from the table he walked directly to a Rolex boutique where he spent all of his winnings on a gaudy Rolex.

My father was immediately furious with the man and pulled him aside. The guy saw nothing wrong with spending $35,000 on a watch when he was only making $50,000 a year. That kind of decision making reflects incredibly poorly on one's concept of money and ability to make good decisions. It's enough of a gamble that he played up to $35,000, but the fact that he frivolously and immediately spent it all does not bode well for what he will do with the company's money or what image he will reflect on the company when he meets with Clients and is wearing a diamond Presidential.

Again, not apples to apples, but it needs to be known that what you do with your money and how you allocate discretionary income, as well as the image you are trying to portray, says a lot about who you are and how you think.
post #21 of 160
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

Well this assumes that his boss has a concept of what the clothes cost. I think if you are spending tens of thousands of dollars a year on suits and don't have the salary or clout to justify doing so, it's on par with wearing expensive watches or driving an expensive car. I will say, however, most bosses would have no idea how much clothes cost. I do, however. Hence why I said "If I were the boss" I would have a problem to a certain level.

that's the contradiction, if the boss was so concern with his good clothes, wouldn't he/she should ask someone to look thorough his account to check any fraud? In that way, the boos would have prefect reason to fire someone or in fact sue such person for criminal trial, if fraud had happened. I am convinced that if someone was fired because purely on his dressing, given the fact that no fraud had occurred which means he paid for all his stuff, and in the present case, a top achiever, isn't the company just bringing on problems to themselves if such thing goes into public and writs of summons?

In fact, the criteria might even fit in 'freedom of expression' under the most countries? e.g. Human Rights Act under the virtue of European Convention on Human Rights for UK
post #22 of 160
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

Perhaps your friend could have an action under the employment law? I am no expert on this but since no clear reason was mentioned, your friend might be able to argued the unjust redundancy and ask court for an injunction?
Even the employer had asked your friend to dress down, the scope of 'dressing down' is pretty large, I could have claimed wearing a less colourful tie means 'dressing down', while keeping everything else. And really if your friend was a top performer, your boss should really keep a good asset in his company
Or put it that way, since your friend is good in his job, surely he can use this as a advantage for his future job interview
That is just my uneducated guess.....
Or did I put too much time on a troll thread?

Well dressed young men are not a protected class. Assuming the original post is the entirety of the story (I think it's either made up or a partial story, but that's a different topic) he has no action under any employment law.
post #23 of 160
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

Bespoke is one thing. I don't think any bosses would object to well-fitting, smart clothes. And I know even less would have any concept of what bespoke actually means. What I do think is your friend is an idiot for wearing polarizing fits like DBs and three pieces when no one else was. I also assume, since you mention him favoring British tailoring, that the fit and silhouette of the looks was quite severe or even intimidating, as many British houses look to replicate a sharp figure and powerful lines.
Also, I think A LOT of bosses in the world would have serious questions about someone spending so much of their money on clothes (if they were to wear only Saville Row suits). Especially if that person is a younger employee. It begs questions of their money management and then that leads to how you manage the company's money.

I hope this wasn't one of my clients, Im always pushing 3 piece suits and DBs. Your totally right though about the hard lines that sort of look intimidating in English tailoring. I favor this myself over a softer look.
post #24 of 160
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

that's the contradiction, if the boss was so concern with his good clothes, wouldn't he/she should ask someone to look thorough his account to check any fraud? In that way, the boos would have prefect reason to fire someone or in fact sue such person for criminal trial, if fraud had happened. I am convinced that if someone was fired because purely on his dressing, given the fact that no fraud had occurred which means he paid for all his stuff, and in the present case, a top achiever, isn't the company just bringing on problems to themselves if such thing goes into public and writs of summons?
In fact, the criteria might even fit in 'freedom of expression' under the most countries? e.g. Human Rights Act under the virtue of European Convention on Human Rights for UK

You'd be surprised how easy it is (in certain industries and jobs) for bosses to do whatever they like. There are a million reasons to justify it. Granted, this "example" of a guy being a top performer seems very, very suspect, but a lot of bosses don't really need a firm, objective reason and since he was not told directly he was fired due to dress, there is really no way you can directly tie the two together.
post #25 of 160
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Originally Posted by pnutpug View Post

Most bosses have bosses. If I were that boss's boss and found out that a top performer got canned for his suits, there'd be a new boss. If the OP's friend is willing to go public, it would make for a great lawsuit--something along First Amendment grounds--that would likely get picked up by the media, resulting in deserved public humiliation for the boss and perhaps a job offer from a more enlightened company.

It wouldn't be a great lawsuit. No legit lawyer would take it on because it's pure rubbish.
post #26 of 160
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It wouldn't be a great lawsuit. No legit lawyer would take it on because it's pure rubbish.

A lawyer would take in on retainer lol
post #27 of 160
Thread Starter 

Oh, sorry I forgot to mention that he is actually quite a bit older than me, at 34. Most of the bespoke suits were financed by an inheritance from his rich Father but he did not make that bad an earning before anyway at €90000 a year. Fact is that his dress style worked just fine and nobody said anything to him for over 3 years until the new boss (whom happens to be about the same age as him) decided to attend client meetings and felt intimidated by his employee's imposing style.

 

When I asked my friend if he would take legal action he said that he'd rather work for another company than keep working for this boss. At the moment he is in Dubai for an interview with another firm.

 

post #28 of 160
Fair played.....

I am sure your friend could use his performance to secure another job... I hope he will be fine

Perhaps the friend's industry is one which no one really wears suits, in all my experiences, Everyone will wear suits to work so I never get a look for wearing a 3pc/DB/PS.... in fact my supervisor always compliment my outfit and never have pick on me because how I dressed, and in fact quiet similar to OP's friend, but not lobb shoes and 7 fold tie.

Bourbonbasted, I can conceived that, but really it is the company's loss overall, isn't it?
post #29 of 160
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Originally Posted by ElDave View Post

Well dressed young men are not a protected class. Assuming the original post is the entirety of the story (I think it's either made up or a partial story, but that's a different topic) he has no action under any employment law.

And this is why contract-at-will employment regimes are so problematic in the real world, where labor markets notoriously aren't free and fair. For the employer, it's heads I win, tails you lose.
post #30 of 160
Which country did this take place?
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