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I think he mistakenly hit the "0" key.

My thought also
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the 1 dollar figure was just an estimate, they can go as low as min wage or 1/2 min wage if they are on survival mode, clearly they are currently paying themselves too much if they are in the red at the end of the year.
$150k is a lot of money, that could pay for 10 years worth of rent, so what do they need that much for? they buy a suit for $500 sell it for $1500, easy profit, i have talked to some suit makers and they said between choices of clothes i can choose i asked if i choose the more expensive one(cause at the time i naively thought more $$$ was better) will the layman notice it, and they said no, so why would i spend a couple of extra hundred for something that looks exacly the same.customers are getting smarter, i can tell me my experience i bought a pocket square on ebay, $2 shipped across the world, will look just as good as a $100 pocketsquare from a mensstore that has to pay like $20 of that 100 towards rent, terribly inefficient, just like burning money if you buy that overpriced clothes. so i am not surprised if they are strugling. i dont' want to pay $100 for a $2 pocket square. i could buy a tie at the thrift store for a $1 and it will be just as ugly as any tie from any mensstore that costs $100. the twisted and mad marketing in fashion is amazing, getting people to spend $1000+ on pieces of leather called shoes.

I think that you are clearly missing the point. There are stores, very much in the black, that sell much more expensive clothing. There is a place for haberdasheries, I think. But the world has changed, and is changing at a faster and faster pace, and if you are constantly playing catchup, you are more likely to fail. A much better approach is to have a strategy to keep abreast of changes, not just in fashion, but in technology.
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the 1 dollar figure was just an estimate, they can go as low as min wage or 1/2 min wage if they are on survival mode, clearly they are currently paying themselves too much if they are in the red at the end of the year.
$150k is a lot of money, that could pay for 10 years worth of rent, so what do they need that much for? they buy a suit for $500 sell it for $1500, easy profit, i have talked to some suit makers and they said between choices of clothes i can choose i asked if i choose the more expensive one(cause at the time i naively thought more $$$ was better) will the layman notice it, and they said no, so why would i spend a couple of extra hundred for something that looks exacly the same.customers are getting smarter, i can tell me my experience i bought a pocket square on ebay, $2 shipped across the world, will look just as good as a $100 pocketsquare from a mensstore that has to pay like $20 of that 100 towards rent, terribly inefficient, just like burning money if you buy that overpriced clothes. so i am not surprised if they are strugling. i dont' want to pay $100 for a $2 pocket square. i could buy a tie at the thrift store for a $1 and it will be just as ugly as any tie from any mensstore that costs $100. the twisted and mad marketing in fashion is amazing, getting people to spend $1000+ on pieces of leather called shoes.


I don't know what you do and where you live but you don't seem to know much about running a business. There is no such thing as 'easy profit' in the market, and $150K is a fairly small amount of money when it comes to business, which can barely cover 2 - 3 salesperson for one year, leave alone the crazy store rent in Manhattan. The suits won't sell themselves, you need the environment and staff, and you need to stock up to cover the sizes and categories. 

 

 

You can always hunt better values on internet but at the end of the day most clothes are still sold in real world stores. There is a reason.

 

 


Edited by swolfod - 3/14/12 at 11:45am
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the 1 dollar figure was just an estimate, they can go as low as min wage or 1/2 min wage if they are on survival mode, clearly they are currently paying themselves too much if they are in the red at the end of the year.
$150k is a lot of money, that could pay for 10 years worth of rent, so what do they need that much for? they buy a suit for $500 sell it for $1500, easy profit, i have talked to some suit makers and they said between choices of clothes i can choose i asked if i choose the more expensive one(cause at the time i naively thought more $$$ was better) will the layman notice it, and they said no, so why would i spend a couple of extra hundred for something that looks exacly the same.customers are getting smarter, i can tell me my experience i bought a pocket square on ebay, $2 shipped across the world, will look just as good as a $100 pocketsquare from a mensstore that has to pay like $20 of that 100 towards rent, terribly inefficient, just like burning money if you buy that overpriced clothes. so i am not surprised if they are strugling. i dont' want to pay $100 for a $2 pocket square. i could buy a tie at the thrift store for a $1 and it will be just as ugly as any tie from any mensstore that costs $100. the twisted and mad marketing in fashion is amazing, getting people to spend $1000+ on pieces of leather called shoes.

If that's the case then why even bother with a PS. Why not just get a white paper towel and fold it up and no one can tell the difference. Better yet, why even bother buying a tie since it serves no real purpose. We might as well all just walk around in cheap crocs, t shirts, and shorts/jeans from Wal Mart. It gets the job done and you can save money to pay for other things like rent and food. But since we're being as cheap as possible, we should just sleep at work and eat ramen noodles everyday. That way we can save even more money and live miserably the rest of our lives.
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I think that they are beautiful.

beautiful is not the word to describe it, imo.
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Let me remind everyone that iroh is under my protection.

In that case, it might be time to woodshed him.
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In that case, it might be time to woodshed him.

His impish ways have my leave to rove this forvm.

While that remains the case, no man may spear him or otherwise draw blood.
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Let me remind everyone that iroh is under my protection.
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His impish ways have my leave to rove this forvm.
While that remains the case, no man may spear him or otherwise draw blood.

Now that iroh has engaged LA Guy in serious discussion, we may finally know the answer to that ancient conundrum of what happens when an immovable object meets an irresistible force. lurker[1].gif
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You can always hunt better values on internet but at the end of the day most clothes are still sold in real world stores. There is a reason.

Don't bet on it

In 2003-2005, I was going around promoting Styleforum to retailers, and the idea of webstores and establishing a presence online (Facebook didn't even exist in 2003, so social media was a new thing.) I was often met with "We want people to have a relationship with the store, the environment is very important." I explained that 1) People fom DeMoines were not going to be able to travel regularly to big cities to try on their goods, 2) You can build customer relationships online, and 3) B&M was not going to end, but it was going to become a different experience. I can name at least a dozen retailers who swore up and down that they would never have an online presence, and now do. The world is changing. It is either remarkably exciting, or remarkably disorienting, confusing, and frustrating, depending on your mindset.
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beautiful is not the word to describe it, imo.

You might be right. But attractive. There has to be a better word, though.
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You might be right. But attractive. There has to be a better word, though.

It's two words, but how about oompa loompa?
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 In 2016, e-retail will account for 9% of total retail sales, up from 7% in both 2012 and 2011, according to the report, “U.S. Online Retail Forecast, 2011 to 2016,”by Forrester analyst Sucharita Mulpuru.

 

I am still betting on it, it's still a fairly small faction.

 

And I doubt what will be the percentage of clothes bought online. I personally bought majority of everything I use online, and that includes electronics, computers, gadgets, furniture, cookwares, toilet plumber, etc. However, when it comes to clothes, I always feel more comfortable to be able to actually see and try on the garments in store. It's just so much harder to know what you are getting from internet comparing to other stuff, and not everyone in the real world is as knowledgeable as SFers.

 

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...and not everyone in the real world is as knowledgeable as SFers.

Quoted for later re-quotation.
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Now that iroh has engaged LA Guy in serious discussion, we may finally know the answer to that ancient conundrum of what happens when an immovable object meets an irresistible force. lurker[1].gif

One answer is Tuck's Take-A-Longs.
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