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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post

I should clarify as well, I don't know whether this was a budget for the whole outfit or just the suit, I just made an assumption. The point I was really going for, and perhaps didn't properly convey was this: There is one reason and one reason only I spent a full $1k on my tux and that was that the Zegna outlet had $2,500 tuxedos for that price and I couldn't pass it up. Absent that kind of deal, I would have gone with the least expensive "proper" alternative available (I don't wear it often) and would much more readily have bought one at MSRP for $300 than $800-1k.
Were I buying today and an outlet trip proved fruitless/couldn't be done I would probably parse out $1k as follows (assuming it's for the whole outfit):
Suit: H&M, $270 + tailoring to remove belt loops/sew up vent so call it $325 all-in.
Shirt: If MTM can be had for $200, by all means. Otherwise I'd go as cheap as possible in the style you like (shirts can get ruined easily and the only part that matters is the bib since it's all that will be seen, so let's say $100.
Tie/Cummerbund: $235 will get you a good set from Ben Silver. I'd go cummerbund in case you don't have the belt loops removed from the trousers and need to cover them.
Shoes: I'd wear black calf that I already own.
That leaves a few hundred for a stud set which you will have forever. That's the part I'd spend the most on since it's the only part likely to last a good many years and stay in great shape.

No wonder why these days there is a lack of black tie event

I do agree the above is the way to go for a limited budget, I hope OP is young so the H&M cut would not look outer space for him

With the extra money I would at least try to buy a pair of velvet slipper or cheap ass patent leather shoe, wearing black calf to black tie is pretty much a sin. I much prefer a black waistcoat to be purchased in H&M to substitute the Ben Sherman cummerbund, there should be some good bow tie (the real ones that you need to tie yourself) on eBay
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

No wonder why these days there is a lack of black tie event
I do agree the above is the way to go for a limited budget, I hope OP is young so the H&M cut would not look outer space for him
With the extra money I would at least try to buy a pair of velvet slipper or cheap ass patent leather shoe, wearing black calf to black tie is pretty much a sin. I much prefer a black waistcoat to be purchased in H&M to substitute the Ben Sherman cummerbund, there should be some good bow tie (the real ones that you need to tie yourself) on eBay

Just to clarify, there's a huge difference between getting one's formal accessories from Ben Silver than Ben Sherman... I also didn't see any formal waistcoat's at H&M and I don't particularly fancy a waistcoat with a shawl lapel jacket (as this was). In my opinion, there shouldn't be any additional black sticking up beyond the button of the jacket in this case, as the more minimalist look is part of what makes a shawl lapel so distinctive.

Finally, regarding the shoes, I am not personally a patent leather fan, but would really advise against a cheap one, seeing as they'll look like plastic. A cheap velvet slipper maybe, particularly with a shawl lapel. This, however, is my ideal style for a formal shoe:

http://www.barneys.com/Whole-Cut-Venetian/069105016,default,pd.html?cgid=SHOES04

Like the brand or not, it's sleek and minimalist without being patent-like shiny and easily could be worn for non-formal affairs as well.
post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by BrandonJG View Post

I'm still leaning towards the SuitSupply 'tuxedo' that I linked to, that way I'll have a bit of a budget for shoes as well. Still, thanks for the suggestions.  

 

Some key points for you re the SuitSupply tux:

- they'll ship to Canada but UPS will hose you with their brokerage fees plus duties (the suit is made in China) plus HST.  Suitsupply claims that you won't have to pay duties but odds are UPS will collect them off you regardless. 

- I just got the 1B peak lapel and IMO it's a great suit for < $500.  Do check your sleeve measurements carefully, however - the functional buttons make letting the sleeves out or taking them in a little more complicated! 

- phoning their customer service line probably won't work.  I've spent 40 minutes on hold more than once, and their system just drops the call eventually.  That being said their CS reps are VERY helpful!
 

 

post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by rileym View Post


Do check your sleeve measurements carefully, however - the functional buttons make letting the sleeves out or taking them in a little more complicated! 

 

I've never used them, but for this reason I might ask that the sleeve be working button-ready but have the buttons just tacked on so you can have your tailor do it later, just in case. This is how Ralph Lauren does the Black Label suits, and Hickey Freeman some of theirs, and IMO is a great compromise: the suit can be worn immediately but the perfectionist can get the working buttons and perfect sleeve length desired.
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post

Just to clarify, there's a huge difference between getting one's formal accessories from Ben Silver than Ben Sherman... I also didn't see any formal waistcoat's at H&M and I don't particularly fancy a waistcoat with a shawl lapel jacket (as this was). In my opinion, there shouldn't be any additional black sticking up beyond the button of the jacket in this case, as the more minimalist look is part of what makes a shawl lapel so distinctive.
Finally, regarding the shoes, I am not personally a patent leather fan, but would really advise against a cheap one, seeing as they'll look like plastic. A cheap velvet slipper maybe, particularly with a shawl lapel. This, however, is my ideal style for a formal shoe:
http://www.barneys.com/Whole-Cut-Venetian/069105016,default,pd.html?cgid=SHOES04
Like the brand or not, it's sleek and minimalist without being patent-like shiny and easily could be worn for non-formal affairs as well.

I do like variation of black ties so everyone could play abit, I am perhaps more traditional

Not going to piss everyone off
post #36 of 41

If you have few retail choices and with your built, try to have it tailored instead.

post #37 of 41
Thread Starter 

I appreciate all of the suggestions - my apologies for being so late to reply since my last post. I can honestly say there's one good tailor in Victoria, however, he doesn't make clothing any longer, he only alters it. Furthermore, taking the ferry over to Vancouver or Seattle is a great idea to try on a ton of brands that Victoria doesn't have, including H&M as a number of people have suggested. I ultimately decided to buy a Sand (a very underrated and lesser known Danish brand) number, which, in their "Star-Craig" fit (slimmest fit), is the best fitting and most flattering OTR option I've ever tried. At $895 before taxes, it ran a tad over-budget, so I'll have to scrape something up for the rest, nevertheless, I couldn't be happier with my purchase. 

post #38 of 41

Do you think that the one button peak lapel tuxedo from SuitSupply would work well on someone 6 feet 150 lbs (I'm the same). I'm planning on making it a 3 piece tuxedo by purchasing a MTM vest from BlackLapel. Would the fabric colors match?


Edited by suitor - 3/19/13 at 12:20pm
post #39 of 41

Suit Supply has a generous return policy, so as long as you can return the waistcoat as well there's virtually no risk. 

 

FWIW the fit around the neck on the suitsupply tux was bad, at least on me.  Some things aren't apparent unless you spend time in a suit, walking around naturally.  Putting it on and standing in front of a mirror don't really get you all the way there on appreciating fit.  YMMV of course. 
 

post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by suitor View Post

Do you think that the one button peak lapel tuxedo from SuitSupply would work well on someone 6 feet 150 lbs (I'm the same).

Maybe. No way to even guess without knowing measurements.
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I'm planning on making it a 3 piece tuxedo by purchasing a MTM vest from BlackLapel. Would the fabric colors match?

Almost definitely not. Don't even try to match the vest.
post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant View Post

Almost definitely not. Don't even try to match the vest.

Amen. There are only two ways in which I would recommend adding a vest:

1. SS has a MTM program which allows one to add a vest. Perhaps use the program for your tux, or if the OTR tux fits see about a MTM vest in the same fabric.

2. Just go with a silk vest, which are often shown for tuxedos. Plenty of options from many retailers.
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