this really belongs in the watch pr0n thread and has been discussed before, but i cant resist. also, sorry if i came off as a watch douche in my post before. i get heated about watched.
Originally Posted by TimelesStyle
Well, let me qualify my statement: IWC has better watches at the higher end when it comes to readily-available-but-complicated-and-expensive timepieces. Most of IWC's minute repeaters and perpetual calendars are more easily found in retailers but JLC's ultra-limited editions rival the best in watchmaking.
I do think some of what you are seeing though is IWC succumbing to the mass marketing of its watches making them more common and less refined in appearance than previously. I have one, I like it a lot, but it's not as unique to me as its predecessors would have been a decade ago.
i will pretty much agree with most of this. though i have seen plenty higher end complications from JLC in stores, maybe it depends of your location.
all and all though i think we are on the same page.
Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman
I would put both JLC and IWC right behind Patek with Blancpain and Breguet. There are a few smaller makers who equal Patek, but they are very limited production. Lange is probably the only larger manufacturer who reaches Patek's level.
Rolex is well below all of those I've listed. It only has a sports line, not fine timepieces.
not sold that lange is on par with patek. i would put VC and AP right up there too. but this has been argued before, all really a matter of opinion at that level.
rolex makes a damn fine watch btw. they bank on their name, but read up on their manufacturing, they make a quality watch. might not be complicated, but its built quite fine.