Originally Posted by apropos
Your examples cited are pretty flawed IMO.
Using as examples how 4x1s look on 2 shorter guys (5'8" and probably 5'3"), and then extrapolating to guesstimate how a 4x1 might look vs a 6x2 on 6'1" Hanks is decidedly stacking the deck [
] in your favour.
Also, the 4x1s...
...acheive their effect on these shorter men by shifting the buttoning point down to lengthen the sweep of the lapel to make them look taller.
Doesn't make sense in my mind's eye to do that for the non-vertically challenged Hanks. You're 'fixing' an imaginary problem created in your own head.
Just my 0.02, and all IMO of course.
All true, but you've missed what it does for their chests, shoulders, and face. A 4x1 has more effects than just the torso-lengthening effect. As on this tall man:
That looks better overall than Hanks's 6x2 shawl, even though Hanks's coat fits better, and even though Hanks has a better figure. The reason is that black tie's triangle formed by tie and lapels around the white shirt needs either the length provided by button-one shawl or the angles provided by peak lapels to look its best. This is why button-two shawl or those high-buttoning two-button SB tuxes one sometimes sees don't look great.
Again, I didn't say there was a problem with Hanks's coat.: it's not sartorially bad. I said that an opportunity for true excellence was missed.
P. S. I also said that one should always choose 4x1 shawl over a button-two shawl, because the first pretty much always looks better.Edited by Testudo_Aubreii - 2/28/12 at 7:07pm