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I wasn't disagreeing with you that stitching is important, since that was the case I wasn't talking about it as we are in agreement that stitching is important. I was talking about fit being a component of quality because that's a point we disagree on. I look at the stitching of every pair of jeans I consider buying. If it's poor I don't even bother. If it's good then I go for feel and fit. Good quality jeans should feel good, should be comfortable and give a good range of motion. If they don't fit well it's because they were a generic design and therefore not as much time and effort was put into designing them, therefore lower quality of workmanship.
Sorry, but that's nonsense. No pair of jeans can fit everyone well. There are models (the Nudie Regular Ralph comes to mind) that fits most people, but even then there are exceptions. Also, poor workmanship and poor design are two different things altogether.
that's so incredibly subjective and has nothing to do with what's being discussed (i.e. abstract quality). Someone else might prefer jeans that are really tight and restrictive (and between SuFu and SF there are quite a few), does this mean that they are not interested a quality product as well???
I would suggest this underdog Indonesian brand called Hanzo. Indonesian owned and Japanese inspired. Their debut article TS105SS can be considered as a good durable jeans. This article is made from Zimbabwe cotton and stitched with polycore threads, which is perfect for rugged activities. 19 ounces per square yard unsanforized denim and using Zimbabwe cotton for durability. Very comfortable to be worn every day. They pay heavy attention to details as well, such as:
Small Width of Selvedge line
They used small selvedge line in order to attain wonderful fading result and also it gives a pressure to the selvedge to be exposed during fading.
Traditional hand Felled yoke
This construction is special because it really utilizes superior skills of the tailor. No machine attachment are capable of making construction such as this one, moreover this is one strong construction. This detailed construction is inspired by the old time jeans where chain stitch and overlock machine were not founded or used yet.
Raised belt loop and back pocket
They utilized raised belt loop without rope to achieve durability and beautiful fading as concomitant to wearing.
Tight rear pocket and Full reinforced back pocket
At the back pocket, they designed it to be tight as a purpose to prevent pickpocketing. Next, it is to attain high durability and long lasting.
Daruma Pocket Bag
Daruma has a rich design in symbolism and is widely recognized as a lucky charm for good luck by the Japanese. It is also seen as a symbol of perseverance and good luck, making them a popular gift of encouragement, shown when Daruma dolls are thrown to the ground, they will stand again. They print the Daruma Dolls on their pocket bag as a symbol of their sincere prayers that their denim shall be the patron's companion for life that brings good luck and as a symbol of eagerness.
Curved stitch on the bottom of front pocket
They understand that during sea wash, some sands may still be left in the pocket. Their curved stitch shall prevent the sand to stay in the pocket.
For a Rp 1.600.000 or US$140, I personally think that this denim is worth every penny.
If you are looking for the first type then I say go to the gap during a sale and pick up two to three fits you like.
If you are looking to invest your time I say go with Nudies or naked and famous....for the money.
Regardless of what people say, chain stitching, construction, hidden rivets, blah blah blah.....I've never had a pair of jeans fall apart or have stitches come undone, and this is coming from someone who works outside for a living building buildings and makes big rocks into small rocks.
Now I do appreciate good craftsmanship and uniqueness so I love my iron hearts and momotaro....but the fits resemble old school jeans, they are not your flattering cuts and I don't like where they source their cotton.
I love my Nudies because they are socially responsible......I'm no longer in to brands that use zimbobwe cottons or cotton from other oppressive regimes. ....they also have a crazy variety of fits and fabrics at price points that appeals to a wide economic groups.
If you are out there rustling cattle or regularly turning big rocks to little rocks, your probably not going to put that much stress on the jeans that you have to worry about them falling apart or needing chain stitching.
I haven't read the whole thread, but my first reaction is TKMAXX,,or if you're in the US TJMAXX
You won't find raw Japanese Selvedge denim (unless you're Really luck!!!), but the stock arrives daily, probably cheaper in the US, but "premium " brands reduced in the UK from £2-300 down to about £29.99
Then there are the Orange ticket sales, I copped a pair of Black Cheap Mondays for £3.97($5!)
They often only have one of each, so you have to hit lucky with the sizes, but the reductions are genuine, and in between the junk pile of rails there are some amazing designer bargains..you have to be patient and maybe go back several times..
I could find you jeans at $2mUS, or even more...I've been wearing jeans for 35 years on the Holy Grail...and I donate my worn out jeans to the Jeansmuseum in Zurich to be immortalised forever...but that's another story..I've bought more jeans than you've had hot dinners but sold off the ones that didn't work and currently have a rotation and a Very difficult resolution to keep not to buy any more jeans until 2.2.2015, made on 6th November 2013 and not broken yet, unlike my previous attempt, which I broke 24 times!!!
Good luck - I hope that as this isn't a recent thread you've found some great jeans by now, but a good tip off for the future..
I've got giant books on denim, have every word written about jeans, tried most brands and had several pairs made for me.
If I keep my resolution it will be nothing short of a miracle, and I'll start 2015 chasing the best pair that my credit cards will take..
:)when I die I want to go to denim heaven!