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post #91 of 993
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No. Senna surely hated the high tech gizmos of his era (active suspensions, ABS, TC, etc.) but I find it hard to believe he'd hate the challenge of best his competitors on driving skill (like how to drive fast while looking after your tires). You seem to forget that this was a big part of F1 racing in the 80s...
Schumacher is complaining because he can't seem to find a way to unlock their potential. He's barely scored points and his teammate scored Mercedes first win. Simple, just another year of mediocrity (for now), so why not put to spotlight on Pirelli? It's pretty sad because it makes him sound like Jarno Trulli.

Partly true, but the tires in the 80's were much more forgiving than they are now. And lasted 1/2 the race on full tanks. In addition, you could set a fastest lap in the 80's with tires at half life. Today's tire is guaranteed to be half a second off the pace by half life.

I agree schumi is whining, but I also agree we are seeing less aggressive driving because of tire degradation. You must at least concede that point.

Ha ha, Trulli and his power steering. Reminds me of this from '89:

post #92 of 993
Senna, Donnington 1993. That is all...
post #93 of 993
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Wow, Maldonado. What a surprise.

5 races, 5 winners, 5 teams. Quite an incredible season. Williams didnt score a point last season and now they win a race. Truly amazing.

Williams looked to have been going the way of Tyrell -when the old man hangs on too long, but credit, they put some new faces on engineering side and look.
post #94 of 993
I wonder how many different ways McLaren can find to lose races for their drivers...
post #95 of 993
Demoting Hamilton to the back of the grid! Too harsh. Ten place penalty at worst.
post #96 of 993
Great race. Very happy for Williams and Pastor Maldonado. Too bad about the fire that ripped apart their garage afterwards.

News: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99605


Damage here looks mostly like smoke and water damage.
Picture: 183

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t52Sxbdw3Y
post #97 of 993
The most intriguing portions of the race for me were the last ten laps when McLaren and Red Bull woke up and started trying to get into points. Certainly it's a far cry from last year when they were often fighting for places 1-4.

But at least this season we won't be ordaining a winner before the final race although I agree with the above comments that the tire situation is making the results far more erratic than it ought to be. Schumacher and Rosberg just sitting out Q3 to save tires is a disturbing trend. Getting pole is less important.
post #98 of 993
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I wonder how many different ways McLaren can find to lose races for their drivers...

Quite true. What exactly was the story behind the demotion?
post #99 of 993
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The most intriguing portions of the race for me were the last ten laps

Definitely. Watching Alonso try to and catch Maldonado up was brilliant. If Raikonnen had 1 more lap he'd of had Alonso.
post #100 of 993
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I wonder how many different ways McLaren can find to lose races for their drivers...

Quite true. What exactly was the story behind the demotion?

Hamilton stopped on track after his quali lap. He did something similar in Canada 2010 (?) because if he'd driven the rest of the lap, he wouldn't have had the 1 liter of fuel left in the tank for scrutineering as mandated. The FIA has since closed that loophole.

Yesterday, he had 1.3L left when he stopped, and McLaren tried to argue that there was something wrong with the car which caused them to tell Hamilton to stop on track. The FIA wasn't buying it (rightly so because problem or no, he would have been under 1L by the time he reached parc ferme), so to the back he went. I think a more appropriate punishment would have been a loss of five or ten places.
post #101 of 993
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Hamilton stopped on track after his quali lap. He did something similar in Canada 2010 (?) because if he'd driven the rest of the lap, he wouldn't have had the 1 liter of fuel left in the tank for scrutineering as mandated. The FIA has since closed that loophole.
Yesterday, he had 1.3L left when he stopped, and McLaren tried to argue that there was something wrong with the car which caused them to tell Hamilton to stop on track. The FIA wasn't buying it (rightly so because problem or no, he would have been under 1L by the time he reached parc ferme), so to the back he went. I think a more appropriate punishment would have been a loss of five or ten places.

But why does it matter if he stopped the car? He had enough fuel.

McLaren need a kick in the pants, they are getting in their drivers way.
post #102 of 993
If he doesn't carry enough to get back to the pits, then he has a weight advantage over those who do carry enough fuel. Minor, but still. McLaren have admitted their cock-up:

McLaren boss Whitmarsh says he was wrong not to tell Hamilton to abort final qualifying lap in Spain
post #103 of 993
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If he doesn't carry enough to get back to the pits, then he has a weight advantage over those who do carry enough fuel. Minor, but still. McLaren have admitted their cock-up:
McLaren boss Whitmarsh says he was wrong not to tell Hamilton to abort final qualifying lap in Spain

So stupid. Wasnt he already on top at that moment? I thought he was.

Interesting how Button couldnt sort the car out all weekend but Hamilton was the fastest man on the track.
post #104 of 993
FIA requires enough fuel to get back to parc ferme AND 1L for fuel sample testing. If they don't have that rule you'll have tons of cars stopping on track post qualifying. Pretty silly mistake from McLaren.
post #105 of 993
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McLaren reminds me of Red Bull a couple of years ago making mistakes every week.
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