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post #301 of 972
Practice. If you looked at traces for even one season, you'd probably be able to decipher them for the rest of your life. Right, Ian?

Hamilton should impose a 24-hour time delay on his social media output. Or run it by his manager first.
post #302 of 972
Data acquisition traces of different inputs have characteristic shapes. Combine that with a knowledge of the track, and you can read exactly what the driver was doing. Race engineers turn this kind of thing into high witchcraft with the things they can tell a driver.

I've identified the curves in the picture below. I have no idea how the blog writer can tell that they are trail braking differently as nothing on the graph looks like a braking curve to me.

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post #303 of 972
Just finished the race!

Ballsy move by Kimi on eau rogue to pass Schumi, would've love to see him win but clearly Lotus just didn't have speed to match.

And Vettel ate a few people around the bus-stop chicane.

SkyHD's a little bleh for this race... little to no radio transmission coverage, all they showed most times were time differences vs. actual lap times, no onboard telemetries frown.gif



As for the Button/Hamilton telemetry - thanks A Y! I was hoping they posted a bigger pic, wanted to see braking lines. It's really hard to tell especially how it's so small and the color differences aren't sharp but from what I see, Button shifts slightly earlier than Hammy = possibly getting a jump on RPM's = speed.

But yeah, I remember a few years back taking a Formula Mazda weekend class, we went over our own telemetries from all 3 days and by the end we were able to read the general overview of it.

Of course it's all driver controlled measurements - it doesn't 'outright' show aerodynamics, tires, etc. those are all between the lines.
post #304 of 972
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Strong rumor that Hamilton to Merc is on:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930
post #305 of 972
I'm afraid it might be true, and I think he'll come to regret it. It's understandable that he would like to see what life is like outside the McLaren bubble, but Mercedes only have that one (Brawn) championship on a fluke interpretation of the rules which gave them a six-month head start. Also, Rosberg is too close to Hamilton in age and experience, so I doubt either will learn much from the other. For example, Jenson's smoothness and success with that approach has forced Hamilton to work actively to develop that aspect of his performance. We know this because Lewis himself demanded that everyone acknowledge it when he was able to rein in his aggression and make the tires last in Spain this year.
post #306 of 972
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

I'm afraid it might be true, and I think he'll come to regret it. It's understandable that he would like to see what life is like outside the McLaren bubble, but Mercedes only have that one (Brawn) championship on a fluke interpretation of the rules which gave them a six-month head start. Also, Rosberg is too close to Hamilton in age and experience, so I doubt either will learn much from the other. For example, Jenson's smoothness and success with that approach has forced Hamilton to work actively to develop that aspect of his performance. We know this because Lewis himself demanded that everyone acknowledge it when he was able to rein in his aggression and make the tires last in Spain this year.


Is it legal to field a 3 car team? If it was Ham, Sch and Rosberg, that would be a decent lineup.
post #307 of 972
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Originally Posted by ianGP View Post

Button shifts slightly earlier than Hammy = possibly getting a jump on RPM's = speed.

I think that's probably because Button has lower drag and therefore more acceleration, so he has to shift sooner.

BTW, does anyone know what that part Hamilton carried back to the pit was? And why was he carrying it? He wasn't still sore about his front wing, was he?
post #308 of 972
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Is it legal to field a 3 car team? If it was Ham, Sch and Rosberg, that would be a decent lineup.

not sure if serious. unless what you mean is if ham is a reserve or test driver which would be great.
post #309 of 972
F1 teams must run two cars and two cars only. Obviously there are technical reasons where one of the two doesn't run a race but they have to have two entries. Nothing more, nothing less.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lewis move to another team. Would love to see how he handles a new environment. I think he'd find he was coddled at McLaren. Something tells me he won't move though. Makes you wonder who McLaren would take if he departeted. Raikkonen would be obvious option as he's out of contract after this year. I've heard some people toss around Di Resta. Maybe Perez? Grosjean would have been interesting if not for his Spa brainfade.
post #310 of 972
Maybe it was just Ron, but Kimi's first stint at Macca didn't end very well. Personally, I would have liked to see Schumi in at McLaren alongside Lewis. I like Jenson, but that pairing could have been quite entertaining. Maybe Hulk at McLaren to replace Lewis if he goes.

As for Mercedes, if they had Alonso, I'd give them a fighting chance. I don't personally care for him, but he's a monster of a driver.

On a completely other topic: Is there anyone in GP2 who looks like they're ready to step up to F1? Maybe I'm missing something, but after several years of standouts, the current crop seems kinda meh.
post #311 of 972
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F1 teams must run two cars and two cars only. Obviously there are technical reasons where one of the two doesn't run a race but they have to have two entries. Nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't mind seeing Lewis move to another team. Would love to see how he handles a new environment. I think he'd find he was coddled at McLaren. Something tells me he won't move though. Makes you wonder who McLaren would take if he departeted. Raikkonen would be obvious option as he's out of contract after this year. I've heard some people toss around Di Resta. Maybe Perez? Grosjean would have been interesting if not for his Spa brainfade.

There has been talk of 3 cars per team on more than one occasion, Bernie has discussed it on camera.
Think the general idea would be to knock off the bottom end of the constructors, as they tend to make up the numbers and generally get in the way when being lapped. That way there wouldn't be too much of an increase in the numbers of cars on track.

Hamilton gossip is a smokescreen I think to get his money up at McLaren. Mercedes is a much bigger world wide brand (a fact that Simon Fuller, H's manager is no doubt fully aware of) but these manufacturers have a habit of dropping in and out of F1, whereas McLaren IS an F1 race team, with road cars as a sideline.
post #312 of 972
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Maybe it was just Ron, but Kimi's first stint at Macca didn't end very well. Personally, I would have liked to see Schumi in at McLaren alongside Lewis. I like Jenson, but that pairing could have been quite entertaining. Maybe Hulk at McLaren to replace Lewis if he goes.
As for Mercedes, if they had Alonso, I'd give them a fighting chance. I don't personally care for him, but he's a monster of a driver.
On a completely other topic: Is there anyone in GP2 who looks like they're ready to step up to F1? Maybe I'm missing something, but after several years of standouts, the current crop seems kinda meh.

If Ham does leave, I would not be surprised to see Schumi spend a year at McLaren. I dont believe anyone else is the right fit save for Perez. Di Resta is overrated.

Re GP2, there are a couple, but honestly, look out for this Dutch kid Nigel Melker. Driving on a back marker team but able to produce some great results and punch above his weight. Reminds me of what Hakkinen did with the old Lotus. For me, he's super impressive.
post #313 of 972
Ok...so the first time I saw that telemetry pic, I thought "how the F did that get out?" but didn't think much more of it.

And then a buddy sends me this link:
Lewis pisses of McLaren team
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19456707


Anyway, looking forward to Italia: Maldonado gets a 10 spot penalty - 5 for jump start and 5 for colliding with Glock.... (Glock, really??) idiot. - SkyHD didn't even show his collision frown.gif just saw him limping back w/o a front wing.

Also, Grosjean with a 1-race ban. I'm trying to like the guy but he's just f-ing up all the time. I wonder if they'll put in their reserve driver or pick up someone else....
post #314 of 972
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Originally Posted by ianGP View Post

Also, I hope Maldonado crashes into Alonso. With an Alonso DNF, it would make for an closer race for WC.

Hmm.. looks like I got my wish in 2 different parts. If Kimi keeps it up and even win a race or two, he just mind swoop in for WDC! Massa's contract ends this year IIRC, soo.... kimster to Ferrari again? Alonso vs Kimi devil.gif
post #315 of 972
I think Kimi shit in the Ferrari pool. I would be shocked if they would take him back. I think he's staying at Lotus.

Alonso will win the WDC if everyone else keeps divvying up the wins between them. I don't want it to be Vettel, and I can't stand Webber, so Hamilton!
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