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post #286 of 1240
DRs is stoopid. There's no racing anymore. With these Pirelli tires, it's overkill
post #287 of 1240
I don't care if they take it flat or not. Get rid of the paved runoff, and it becomes a manly corner again.
post #288 of 1240
Whether it's a combination of all (new design & regulations, KERS, DRS, tires, etc) or some, I don't quite know what to thank yet.... all I know is this year has been the most exciting yet

oh and there's noise Kimi/Lotus are a good bet for the podium icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
but i'm still a Hammy fanboi shog[1].gif

Also, I hope Maldonado crashes into Alonso. With an Alonso DNF, it would make for an closer race for WC.
post #289 of 1240
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

I don't care if they take it flat or not. Get rid of the paved runoff, and it becomes a manly corner again.

What's manly about a flat corner? Just keep it in and drive thru. The lift makes for much better action down the strait. I dont care if there is runoff or not, but at least tune the corner so drivers have to judge it. Now the strait extends from the hairpin all the way to the top of the hill.

Why they need DRS down that long ass strait is pointless anyway. If you cant get a tow with that distance, forget it.
post #290 of 1240
The speed through Eau Rouge is so fast the run off they have now is still not much. The fact it was a test between just lifting and trying to go flat made it quite the challenge:
Quote:
Martin Brundle: "It is terrifying. You're heading downhill, flat
out and it's like: 'I'm not gonna lift this time.' Your heart
says you're not going to lift and your brain says you are. Your
brain seems to have this little muscle attached to your foot."

David Coulthard:"It's big a battle between your brain and your
arse."

Mika Hakkinen: "You approach it with a combination of excitement
and fear. Your heart speeds up and you have to have courage and
when you get it right it's really satisfying. But it's always a
quite scary moment."

Michael Schumacher: "It's just like flying down a hill and seeing
a big mountain in front of you. It is a feeling that affects your
whole body and is probably the best experience and the most
satisfaction you can have as a racing driver."

Jacques Villeneuve: "You stop breathing, you start closing your
eyes...No you don't close your eyes. They stay wide open - with
fear!...But when you're safely through Eau Rouge your eyes blink
quite rapidly."

Source: http://www.f1speedwriter.com/

Now that it's easily flat (thanks to downforce) much of that challenge is gone. However the drivers still love it. I think they could tighten the corner up just a bit to bring that charm back to the corner.
post #291 of 1240
I get that being on the edge of taking it flat is challenging, but now there's no consequence for getting it wrong (which, despite its being flat, is still possible).
post #292 of 1240
^^ yeah, definitely possible, especially with maldonado satisfied.gif
post #293 of 1240
As long as he's going through the corner by himself, he should be fine. If there's anyone to hit, though, look out.

Speaking of Williams drivers, Barrichello got his best finish in IndyCar at Sonoma on Sunday.

post #294 of 1240
Watching practise now, raining hard. Definitely lifting through ER...nod[1].gif
post #295 of 1240
Been trying to avoid this thread in case of spoilers....haven't watched quali/race yet... will have time tomorrow icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Anyway, this made me aroused:


I sorta remember some parts of that makeshift track....IIRC, he's on part of River rd. (used to live there YEARS ago)
post #296 of 1240
Maldonado plays to type.
post #297 of 1240
Thread Starter 
Wow. 1 race ban for Grojean. Alonso almost got decapitated.
post #298 of 1240
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post #299 of 1240
http://malcolmstrachan.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/hamiltons-data/

Quote:
Well, that was an interesting thing for Hamilton to tweet…

Things that I found interesting:

(I’ll refer to everything by the distance around the lap, which is noted at the bottom. For example, Eau Rough is at 1200m or so)

1) Hamilton gains mostly under braking, rather than in the corners (300m, 2200m, 3000m, 6700m). I would have expected the cornering speeds to be noticeably different, but they are actually quite similar. Hamilton can just go that little bit deeper, and brake that much harder before the wheels lock, due to the extra downforce he was running. With each steep drop in the speed trace (second trace from the top), you can see that Hamilton is just a little later on the brakes.

2) Hamilton messed up the third corner in the “Les Combes” section (corner 9, 2600m). He has more downforce, so should be as fast or faster, but he must have had a moment there, as his speed drops mid-corner. Unfortunately, the data is obscured by what seems to be the steering trace. The slight correction of the steering seems to indicate that he understeered, as he only let up on the steering rather than going into opposite lock (either that, or he has superhuman reactions that corrected a slide so quickly that he didn’t need to get to opposite lock to save it… but I doubt it!). You can see that in that short downhill run to Bruxelles (2500-2900m), the speed traces are parallel, so he isn’t losing time because of the wing – it was just his poor exit from the corner that lost him at least a tenth or so, where he should have gained at least one or two tenths.

3) Hamilton destroys Button under braking for the final chicane… only to lose most of that advantage by killing his corner exit (6900m). While he was able to brake much harder (note the higher brake pressure he can apply without locking up, thanks to the added downforce – bottom trace, brake pressure overlaid with throttle position – 6600m), he probably ran wide mid-chicane, ruining his line on the exit. Because of that, Button go the better exit and clawed back much of what he lost in the braking zone.

4) Through the easy-flat corners (Eau Rouge – 1200m; Blanchimont – 6200m), they both lose the same amount of speed. Had this been a few years ago where Eau Rouge was almost flat, the data would have been much more interesting. While Hamilton would have had more drag, he may have had as much as a 10-15 km/h advantage exiting Radillion or Blanchimont. At some point, Button’s speed would eclipse Hamilton’s, but Hamilton could retain an advantage. It’s counter-intuitive, but sometimes adding downforce increases your top speed down a straight, simply because you exited the previous corner that much faster – what you lose from drag is more than outweighed by what you gain from increased exit speed. That’s why Le Mans cars are closer to medium downforce spec now, especially with the chicanes on the Mulsanne – the corner exits are very important.

5) Neither driver can trail-brake as hard into Bruxelles (2900m), due to the downhill nature of the corner shifting the balance forward, making the rear of the car “light” and twitchy. The braking trace shows that as they turn in, they are braking with about half as much brake pressure as the entry to Pouhon (3800m); this could be partly due to the lower speeds and therefore lower downforce, but by watching the cars through that corner, some of it has to be because they are all quite twitchy on corner entry.

6) It is worth noting that at near top speeds, there is little-to-no brake modulation, as the car has so much downforce, giving the tires so much grip that arguably the best brakes in the world still can’t lock the wheels. Note the braking into La Source (200m) – they are mashing the brakes, and then gradually easing off the brake all the way to the apex of the corner, mostly because they are losing downforce (and therefore grip) as they slow down. To avoid locking up, they must ease off the brakes as the limit of the tires gets lower and lower with the decreasing speed.

7) Both drivers seem to be quite smooth – a testament to the McLaren. If you look at the whole lap, looking specifically at the steering trace (third trace from the top), there are very few corrections that were made. Each steering input, Hamilton’s correction in Les Combes aside, it’s all very deliberate and consistent – no massive opposite lock moments chasing the car through the corner. Then looking at the throttle trace, I can’t see anywhere where they had to lift to correct for any wheelspin – clearly the McLarens are putting the power down quite well. It would be really interesting to compare to De La Rosa’s throttle trace, where I bet his steering and throttle inputs are far more erratic, for the simple reason that the HRT has less downforce, is probably twitchy in each corner, and is not able to put the power down nearly as well – therefore poor Pedro has to wrestle the car at the limit, rather than Jenson being able to finesse the car through each of Spa’s lovely sweeping corners.

Hamilton posted the photo because he was blown away by the differences between a high downforce wing and a skinny wing, likely magnified by his disappointment of being so far off the pace. That was obvious to me (and probably anyone that understands the trade-off between downforce and drag), but it was the few other details that I found much more interesting.
post #300 of 1240
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^^ how the hell he sees any of that shit is beyond me
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