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post #241 of 1084
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^ I cant see it. I think the seat will go to Perez.
post #242 of 1084
Which minor deity did Hamilton piss off? The guy has the worst luck on the grid this year.
post #243 of 1084
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Which minor deity did Hamilton piss off? The guy has the worst luck on the grid this year.

Ya, its crazy. He's getting the short end of everything and that cheat Alonso is walking away with the championship.
post #244 of 1084
I cheered like a school girl when Hamilton (lapped) passed Vettel. Awesome stuff.

Also, glad to see Vettel was penalized for passing off track. Called that immediately.
post #245 of 1084
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I cheered like a school girl when Hamilton (lapped) passed Vettel. Awesome stuff.
Also, glad to see Vettel was penalized for passing off track. Called that immediately.

Ha ha, he was all pissed at Hamilton too.

I used to think Vettel was a nice kid but more and more I realize he's a bitch.
post #246 of 1084
I think Vettel's penalty was influenced by the FIA's frustration at being unable to address Red Bull's throttle-mapping tactics.
post #247 of 1084
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I think Vettel's penalty was influenced by the FIA's frustration at being unable to address Red Bull's throttle-mapping tactics.

What happened there?
post #248 of 1084
FIA says that the throttle map reduces torque in the midrange which has a traction-control effect and also, some believe, an effect similar to exhaust-blown diffusers (which were banned for this year). They're cheating, but doing so in a manner which is not explicitly proscribed by the rules and not subject to the discretion of the stewards. I respect the creativity and lateral thinking that RB does consistently, though.
post #249 of 1084
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I think Vettel's penalty was influenced by the FIA's frustration at being unable to address Red Bull's throttle-mapping tactics.

Or maybe the fact he ran off the road to make an overtaking move stick?

I don't believe exploiting loopholes is cheating. I actually respect the ingenuity. The FIA will close it up in no time though.
post #250 of 1084
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I think Vettel's penalty was influenced by the FIA's frustration at being unable to address Red Bull's throttle-mapping tactics.

Or maybe the fact he ran off the road to make an overtaking move stick?

I don't believe exploiting loopholes is cheating. I actually respect the ingenuity. The FIA will close it up in no time though.

We do not disagree, but there has been a lot of off-track adventuring since the paved runoff has become prevalent, and this is the first time in my recollection that such a penalty has been issued. Note that the reg refers to gaining an advantage, not just passing. I recall a certain Kimi Raikonnen's excursion at Spa which allowed him to continue where in the past he would have been been in the wall or beached. I used to be enthusiastic about this change in the tracks, but now I think the stakes are too low for going off so the drivers are taking some ridiculous chances.
post #251 of 1084
read most of this thread. does not understand the hamilton-fapping consensus. great driver, yes, but so is everyone else. best f1 season ever.
post #252 of 1084
Nah I think 2003 was better. Some fantastic story lines and behind the pack recoveries minus DRS assist.
post #253 of 1084
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Nah I think 2003 was better. Some fantastic story lines and behind the pack recoveries minus DRS assist.

I liked 2008, this season has the potential to be the best.
post #254 of 1084
Red Bull throttle mapping to be banned
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Sources suggest that the FIA will lay down specific limits on the variations of torque that can be used throughout the rev range - with Red Bull Racing believed to have been using much less than the maximum available torque in the middle rev range.
post #255 of 1084
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We do not disagree, but there has been a lot of off-track adventuring since the paved runoff has become prevalent, and this is the first time in my recollection that such a penalty has been issued. Note that the reg refers to gaining an advantage, not just passing. I recall a certain Kimi Raikonnen's excursion at Spa which allowed him to continue where in the past he would have been been in the wall or beached. I used to be enthusiastic about this change in the tracks, but now I think the stakes are too low for going off so the drivers are taking some ridiculous chances.

Couldnt agree more. Its too easy. And Maldonado wouldnt have hit hamilton if there was grass or gravel.

We need a penalty for the behavior. If all 4 wheels cross the white line: no DRS for 1 race distance, no KERS for a race distance, 5 place grid penalty for each infraction, stop and go (not thru the pits, though), give up a place regardless of how far behind P-next is.

There needs to be a risk. It doesnt have to be danger. Time is just as effective.
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