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post #2071 of 2303
I agree. Very boring Formula Pussy with virtually every qualifying session ruined by red flags. What's the use of timed sessions if they're going to ruin the laps with red flags?

The cars won't aquaplane if they go slower. The reason they fly off the track is because they are driving too fast for the track.

Also nothing against Rosberg, but he is getting lucky again.
post #2072 of 2303
They will aquaplane because the car will float on the plank. That's why ride height was raised for wet qualifying/races before the current parc ferme rules were instituted. Also, you can aquaplane at 15 mph. Is that what you wanted to watch? I know I didn't.

I'm not sure why the red flags for crashes are so annoying to you. This has always been a factor in qualifying.

On to the race...

Verstappen definitely made two moves on Kimi, and on at least two occasions . I like watching this kid, but the rules need to be the same for everyone.
post #2073 of 2303
Qualifying was kind of a drag to watch because of the flags, but I don't have a problem with the way they managed it. Conditions looked really bad. The safety car starts at Silverstone and Monaco were far more egregious.

Pretty dull race.

Also is it just me or are the commercials on NBCSN getting even worse? The last two races they've been cutting to break after only 3-4 laps on many occasions. I may have to start downloading the Sky broadcasts.
post #2074 of 2303
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Verstappen definitely made two moves on Kimi, and on at least two occasions . I like watching this kid, but the rules need to be the same for everyone.


I was pretty surprised Max was never investigated for his blocking moves. It was pretty obvious he made 2 moves on the first incident which caused Kimi to damage his front wing.
post #2075 of 2303
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We went from Formula Pussy on Saturday to Formula Boring on Sunday. Brundle and Crofty tried their best to propose outcomes worthy of interest, but absolutely none of them panned out. Was the highlight of the race really an almost pass by Kimi towards the end?

I think Verstappen's comments on the radio were true and very damaging to the sport. "I'm driving like a grandma here".

Vettel has to be the biggest whiner in F1, it used to be Alonso, but blue flag rules are so overtly liberal now that you just can't possibly complain about it. Vettel needs to spend a race in the mid 80s trying to get past De Cesaris to see how easy he has it. Again, get rid of the blue flag rules.

Things for the one stopping Massa didn't work out. What were Williams thinking?? And Palmer continues to be the disappointment of the season... spins out when he's just in the points.
post #2076 of 2303
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Couple of other thoughts:

Kimi just can't pass anyone. Dive that fucking car in there and sort it out at the exit. Fucking hell. Watching him flounder behind Verstappen was maddening. So much more grip and speed and couldn't get it done, how was he given a new deal?

Verstappen did change direction twice. And nothing was done... again.

With the rake the cars run, how can they aquaplane on the plank? If anything, they would shovel the water and submarine into the tarmac.

Hamilton was intentionally driving slowly to baby his engine. Since the Merc can't follow anything, he was bizarrely defending his position by driving slowly.

Don't understand why pole in Hungary is on the outside line of the track into T1.
post #2077 of 2303
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Vettel has to be the biggest whiner in F1, it used to be Alonso, but blue flag rules are so overtly liberal now that you just can't possibly complain about it. Vettel needs to spend a race in the mid 80s trying to get past De Cesaris to see how easy he has it. Again, get rid of the blue flag rules.

Lewis supposedly gave Esteban the finger for not respecting the blue flags. I think he held him up for 5 corners.
post #2078 of 2303
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Lewis supposedly gave Esteban the finger for not respecting the blue flags. I think he held him up for 5 corners.

More about Lewis babying his engine than whether he could have gotten by. Should he go on the grass? Between this and Vettel whining, its just another symbol if the pussification of the sport.
post #2079 of 2303
The complaints about backmarkers aren't a sign that the drivers are less committed or racy than in earlier eras. There's a rule, and they have expectations of the other driver's behavior in a given circumstance based on that rule.

I'm not sure what Kimi could have done differently. Verstappen took the inside line into T1 preemptively, so the only option was the outside (which Kimi did try). Combine that with a second move by Verstappen to block, he doesn't get by. The Ferrari didn't have the same drive out of T14, so even with the DRS, he wasn't close enough to make a move that would put his nose in front at the end of the braking zone.

Despite his denial of having done so, Lewis did give him the finger: http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/lewis-hamilton-tells-esteban-gutierrez-that-hes-number-1784218195
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Also is it just me or are the commercials on NBCSN getting even worse? The last two races they've been cutting to break after only 3-4 laps on many occasions. I may have to start downloading the Sky broadcasts.

If you don't need to watch live, you can watch the races with the NBC Sports app or site. When I watched qualifying, it didn't even have commercials; just goes black for a second, then comes back to the FIA feed where the broadcast would be showing a commercial.
post #2080 of 2303
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The complaints about backmarkers aren't a sign that the drivers are less committed or racy than in earlier eras. There's a rule, and they have expectations of the other driver's behavior in a given circumstance based on that rule.

I'm not sure what Kimi could have done differently. Verstappen took the inside line into T1 preemptively, so the only option was the outside (which Kimi did try). Combine that with a second move by Verstappen to block, he doesn't get by. The Ferrari didn't have the same drive out of T14, so even with the DRS, he wasn't close enough to make a move that would put his nose in front at the end of the braking zone.

Kimi had numerous opportunities to TRY a pass on MVS. He never did beyond his single failed attempt. Classic example of a driver past his prime unmotivated by having a new contract. Turn 2 was always his best change, but I believe he also had the speed to try it in the infield. His closing speed into some of those corners was immense.

In modern F1, the drivers are fed the expectation that no driver, under any circumstances, should ever hold them up. Not gonna happen. But you get whiners like Vettel and middle fingerers like Hamilton that believe they are entitled to the entire track. The blue flag situation has become nonsense.
post #2081 of 2303
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Brazil is simply a failed state.

Ecclestone's mother-in-law 'kidnapped in Sao Paulo'

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36891829
post #2082 of 2303
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Kimi had numerous opportunities to TRY a pass on MVS. He never did beyond his single failed attempt. Classic example of a driver past his prime unmotivated by having a new contract. Turn 2 was always his best change, but I believe he also had the speed to try it in the infield. His closing speed into some of those corners was immense.

In modern F1, the drivers are fed the expectation that no driver, under any circumstances, should ever hold them up. Not gonna happen. But you get whiners like Vettel and middle fingerers like Hamilton that believe they are entitled to the entire track. The blue flag situation has become nonsense.

Yeah I was frustrated that Kimi just kind of accepted it. Perhaps because he already saved a shit qualifying position with decent points.
post #2083 of 2303
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They will aquaplane because the car will float on the plank. That's why ride height was raised for wet qualifying/races before the current parc ferme rules were instituted. Also, you can aquaplane at 15 mph. Is that what you wanted to watch? I know I didn't.

I really wouldn't mind watching them race at 15mph if that's the fastest they could go in the wet conditions. In some ways, it would probably be much more exciting than watching them drive 100mph behind the safety car all day long. Once the weather clears up, the cars would be able to go faster anyway.

Verstappen definitely needs to be given a warning.

Rosberg should have been penalized for his pole position lap. Double yellows means slow "significantly" and I don't think a brief lift off is significant. It's probably OK for a single yellow.
post #2084 of 2303
If it's considered to wet to start without a safety car why not just delay the race for 15 minutes or so? Meanwhile they have the safety and medical cars circulate the track to disperse the standing water. I feel like I've seen that done previously.
post #2085 of 2303
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If it's considered to wet to start without a safety car why not just delay the race for 15 minutes or so? Meanwhile they have the safety and medical cars circulate the track to disperse the standing water. I feel like I've seen that done previously.

Mainly because they will hit the 2 hour limit and TV audiences won't wait.

I agree, but why not get cars circulating 15 minutes early? The track is sitting there empty. And frankly who cares? Change the ride height rule and let them race. I always found ultra wet conditions a great way to find out about the drivers. Hearing those whining messages over the radio that it's too wet is so cringeworthy.
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