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post #1786 of 2533
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

So what exactly are your points of contention? Seems to me that billionaires are arguing with billionaires. While Bernie is a piece of shit, the large manufactures are too dominant and make it impossible for small teams to compete. An engine such as is described would be good for the sport.

To me, fuck Ferrari and their veto. Yeah, I know how they got the veto, but still.

McLaren Honda beg to differ.
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post

McLaren Honda beg to differ.

Politically dominant. This has nothing to do with track performance.
post #1788 of 2533
So it appears Ferrari is quick, but Mercedes will have another very dominant season.
post #1789 of 2533
I'm interested to see if McLaren Honda is going to be any good this year.
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The early feedback from Button after yesterday's test was that they made a big improvement in the deployment over the winter which as costing them about .5 sec per lap last year. Sounds promising, but I think they were about 1~2 sec slower last year compared to the top so maybe they still have a long way to go.

The important thing is what F1 will decide to do for 2017. We will probably see more of the same for the 2016 season.
post #1791 of 2533
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I'm interested to see if McLaren Honda is going to be any good this year.

What's your definition of good? I think they'll be a big improvement from last year but certainly not a "good" team (at least by their standards). I think their reliability will be much better but will have trouble finishing above 5th in the WCC. Which honestly will still be a big jump from last year.
post #1792 of 2533
I guess good as in not completely suck. I don't expect them to be anywhere near MB or Ferrari but they should at least be able to make it to Q3 and occasionally compete for podiums with their budget.
post #1793 of 2533
New quali format. I will reserve judgment until after seeing how it plays out over the first few races.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122937
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

New quali format. I will reserve judgment until after seeing how it plays out over the first few races.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122937

Interesting they agreed upon the only part of F1 they didn't have to fix! I am sure it will mix things up since will be difficult to get the timing right for getting the laps in, fuel, etc. though.
post #1795 of 2533
If they're going to derive the faster lap times in 2017 from increasing downforce, they'd better come up with a solution for allowing Pirelli sufficient testing to develop tires that don't wear out immediately in dirty air.
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

New quali format. I will reserve judgment until after seeing how it plays out over the first few races.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122937

They're adopting something similar to what DTM is already doing. Reminds me of that Olympic velodrome race where the slowest get progressively knocked out.

Seems like lipstick on a pig. The Manor will be the first out every session, and they'll end up with the same players at the end. Perhaps a mistake costs a driver an occasional start at the back, but otherwise meh. It might be a bit more exciting and a bit more track time, so from that perspective its an improvement.

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I think the Merc is sandbagging big time. The Ferrari is better, but we're in year 3 of the same shit for sure. Because of all the criticism being levied at the 2 car championship they wouldn't dare come out and smash everyone's times.

It will be funny to watch the TR beating the Red Bull. I watched Ted's notebook, cute hearing Newey call Renault "the engine supplier". Newey is a brilliant engineer, but for fucks sake is he dry toast in an interview.
post #1797 of 2533
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post


I think the Merc is sandbagging big time. The Ferrari is better, but we're in year 3 of the same shit for sure. Because of all the criticism being levied at the 2 car championship they wouldn't dare come out and smash everyone's times.

Ferrari's best time was with running the ultra soft while MB was only running on the mediums for their best time.
post #1798 of 2533
Sandbagging is overstating it. They're just working through a program without worrying about setting fast times. This has been their approach for at least the last three years, so I don't think there's any intent to suggest that they won't lead the field again this year.

I don't think we'll see Merc's true pace unless Ferrari is really close.

The new car rules are pointless iteration. They might serve to knock Merc off the top of the pedestal if they get the concept wrong, but otherwise they won't improve the way the cars look going around a track or the racing.
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Where are you reading about the '17 regs? I thought they were going for 1000 hp cars.
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