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My first race were the v8s with traction control (2007 I was sitting across Kubica's huge accident). Yikes!
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Have you ever seen F1 live pre new formula? From folks that have experienced both, it's a massive difference. That sound was what made it feel alive.

Glad you went, from the TV, it seems like a really nice venue to watch live. If you have the right seat, it seems you can see way over to the other end of the track.


I watch the 2005 Spa qualifying videos often just to remind myself what it should sound like. The venue is great. Turn 19 was cool because you caught them in a fairly quick section of the track and could still see turn 1 in the distance. 15 had them coming off the back straight from 11-16 i believe. Would have been the best place to sit in the bleachers. The bridge over turn 2 was perfect to catch them full throttle down the hill before the S turns and had a good vantage of turn 15/16 too.


From turn 16/17 looking up at turn 1




Turn 15 just off to the left with turn 11 in the background

Edited by Pilot - 10/27/15 at 6:18pm
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I watch the 2005 Spa qualifying videos often just to remind myself what it should sound like. The venue is great. Turn 19 was cool because you caught them in a fairly quick section of the track and could still see turn 1 in the distance. 15 had them coming off the back straight from 11-16 i believe. Would have been the best place to sit in the bleachers. The bridge over turn 2 was perfect to catch them full throttle down the hill before the S turns and had a good vantage of turn 15/16 too.


From turn 16/17 looking up at turn 1




Turn 15 just off to the left with turn 11 in the background

I was at Spa in 2005. It's a shit place to see a race. Great TV race, not so great there. Were you there?

Live during the V10 era was the best F1 sound ever for me. The cars you saw Sunday were 6 seconds a lap slower than the V10 era, it makes a difference while watching, the car is just more unstable.
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Force India have confirmed that Hulk's wing mounting broke just before the collision with Ricciardo. That seemed clear from the first replay, but the US commenters seemed to miss it until after the race. Did the tv people in other countries pick up on it?

I was watching the Sky coverage and Martin Brundle called it correctly in real time.
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Good ol' Martin.

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Red Bull really have no one but themselves to blame: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121538

 

Mercedes reveals terms of possible Red Bull F1 engine supply deal

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I think that's just an excuse by Mercedes to back out of the deal. Probably a deal was made between Toto/Lauda, Horner, and Ecclestone, but the Mercedes company heads decided differently and they had to back out. Red Bull not getting back to Toto on the small points in time is just an excuse as something minor like that would not make a deal fall through unless there was something else major going on behind the scenes.
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Minor? The points he raised are major points of all of these deals. RBR's failure to credit Renault was a huge part of the breakdown of the partnership. Why would Mercedes want to provide power units without gaining any commercial advantage to offset the potential loss of prestige? Also, Wolff raised the issue of not interfering with Renault's contract with RBR before the M-B board declined the deal.

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I think that's just an excuse by Mercedes to back out of the deal. Probably a deal was made between Toto/Lauda, Horner, and Ecclestone, but the Mercedes company heads decided differently and they had to back out. Red Bull not getting back to Toto on the small points in time is just an excuse as something minor like that would not make a deal fall through unless there was something else major going on behind the scenes.

There's no deal to back out on, without a contract. That article highlighted major issues red bull needed to address before Mercedes would take the risk of supplying them. I don't see (yet) any quotes from red bull disputing them.
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By "deal" I mean gentleman's agreement between Toto/Lauda, Horner, and Ecclestone. Basically an agreement was made between them and they just needed to hash out a few details before they formalized this. I think it's reasonable to assume that between the time the agreement was made and was going through the process of being formalized, the Mercedes heads/board decided differently. After they decided to back out, Toto/Lauda used the excuse described in the article above.
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Are you speculating, or do you have actual knowledge of this agreement?

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Are you speculating, or do you have actual knowledge of this agreement?

Of course, total speculation...but from comments made by Bernie and Horner I think it is safe to speculate that there was an actual gentleman's agreement made between all of the them in some private meeting. Pending a few details to be sorted out I think everyone in that meeting thought that was the direction things would proceed. With this gentleman's agreement (of course not formalized) Horner/Red Bull proceeded to tell Renault to go screw themselves, and Toto/Lauda took it to the higher ups, but the higher ups at Mercedes said no. That is when Red Bull got screwed because they already went to Renault, and since Toto/Lauda has to break the gentleman's agreements for reasons beyond their control, they had to use the excuse that Red Bull never got back to them on the pending items.

Again total speculation, but I think it adds up.
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Of course, total speculation...but from comments made by Bernie and Horner I think it is safe to speculate that there was an actual gentleman's agreement made between all of the them in some private meeting. Pending a few details to be sorted out I think everyone in that meeting thought that was the direction things would proceed. With this gentleman's agreement (of course not formalized) Horner/Red Bull proceeded to tell Renault to go screw themselves, and Toto/Lauda took it to the higher ups, but the higher ups at Mercedes said no. That is when Red Bull got screwed because they already went to Renault, and since Toto/Lauda has to break the gentleman's agreements for reasons beyond their control, they had to use the excuse that Red Bull never got back to them on the pending items.

Again total speculation, but I think it adds up.

Makes sense to me too. I'd be surprised if the truth is far off from this.
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I'm not convinced. But, even if it's as you suggest, how stupid are RBR to terminate their deal with Renault before actually signing an agreement with M-B?

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I'm not convinced. But, even if it's as you suggest, how stupid are RBR to terminate their deal with Renault before actually signing an agreement with M-B?

I thought RBR didn't actually terminate the deal yet on paper. That's why the story made sense.
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