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post #1621 of 2391
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They still have to build their own monocoque and aero, no? That's still quite a bit of IP.

Not so much anymore considering the tightness of the regulations.
post #1622 of 2391
Once they go down this route, soon a team will be able to say they are a constructor if they develop their own front wing or something like that. In that case, what would make F1 any different from some of the lower formula series? Spectacle-wise F1 is not that much better than the lower cars now, so I think it's a bad idea and will lead to turning off fans in the long run.

BTW - Button confirmed for 2016.

Now let's see how the Red Bull engine stuff turns out...very interesting. I bet Ferrari and Bernie are thinking of how they can offer Red Bull 2016 engines and shut them up, but not really offer the actual lastest/best 2016 engines.
post #1623 of 2391
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Once they go down this route, soon a team will be able to say they are a constructor if they develop their own front wing or something like that. In that case, what would make F1 any different from some of the lower formula series? Spectacle-wise F1 is not that much better than the lower cars now, so I think it's a bad idea and will lead to turning off fans in the long run.

BTW - Button confirmed for 2016.

Now let's see how the Red Bull engine stuff turns out...very interesting. I bet Ferrari and Bernie are thinking of how they can offer Red Bull 2016 engines and shut them up, but not really offer the actual lastest/best 2016 engines.

Not sure which F1 you're watching, but it's already this way. All the cars look the same. Most cars on the grid use customer engines. Building a tub is not that hard anymore. They basically use all the same design tools and buy most parts like brakes, rims, and many electronics. It's cheaper to go this route. In the late 80s and early 90s you could afford it. What Williams did with their Prost era cars may never be repeated, that car would probably cost $800m to develop today, so it just won't happen.

IMO, that kind of car needs outsider companies owning an F1 team like Boeing or Airbus. The sport is so aerodynamically dominated, and this is their space. VW isn't really going to do much innovation.
post #1624 of 2391
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It's nice to have Haas come into F1, but I agree that maybe F1 is starting a dangerous precedent by letting them buy everything from other manufacturers. Basically they are diluting the idea of F1 being a constructors champtionship and moving it more towards customer cars...which sounds like a good idea for saving escalating costs, but in the end will make F1 more and more like the lower formula series.

I like the idea of every team manufacturing their own chassis but customer cars is nothing new to the sport.
post #1625 of 2391
Yeah, I guess you guys are right, but it seemed in the old days customer style cars were more taboo in F1 and you were strongly criticized for not designing your own chassis. Now with Haas, it seems like they are taking it to next level and bringing in an Indy Car like system, buying everything including the chassis from other manufacturers, then just tuning the package. Isn't that what all the lower formula series do? Now that F1 is not that much faster, or not much more spectacular than the lower formula, I just think they are shooting themselves in the foot by becoming even more similar to the lower formula by construction as well.
post #1626 of 2391
I think they're required to design their own monocoque, aero, and front suspension. The power unit, transmission, rear suspension, and rear crash structure from another team can be used.
post #1627 of 2391
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I think they're required to design their own monocoque, aero, and front suspension. The power unit, transmission, rear suspension, and rear crash structure from another team can be used.

I may be wrong, but I think I heard commentary during the last race saying that Haas might go with Dallara to design/construct the chassis. So my impression is that they are basically very similar to an Indy Car or Japanese top formula team which buys the chassis from someone like Dallara, buys the rest of the parts from different suppliers, then all the team does is customize/tune all these different components of the car. To me it sounds like Indy Car system of producing the car to F1 rule specs.
post #1628 of 2391
As I understand it, Dallara will be building a Haas design. F1, under the current rules, can't be like Indycar because each team must own the IP for its chassis and aero (with the exception of the aforementioned sub-assemblies). RBR/Toro Rosso pushed against the limit of this rule initially, but the FIA made it clear that Toro Rosso could not run what were effectively a third and fourth RBR.
post #1629 of 2391
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As I understand it, Dallara will be building a Haas design. F1, under the current rules, can't be like Indycar because each team must own the IP for its chassis and aero (with the exception of the aforementioned sub-assemblies). RBR/Toro Rosso pushed against the limit of this rule initially, but the FIA made it clear that Toro Rosso could not run what were effectively a third and fourth RBR.

I see...that makes sense.
post #1630 of 2391
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Mercs are .8 seconds faster than the rest. This should be a really storm race for the lead. Or they could lap the field. Not sure.
post #1631 of 2391

I actually feel kinda bad for Rosberg...

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And ugh to Hamilton's jovial banter with Putin...

post #1633 of 2391
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I actually feel kinda bad for Rosberg...

So do I... Japan was his fault for giving position to Lewis but this race there was nothing he could do. He would've had it.

I'm going to COTA in a couple of weeks and it would be cool to see Lewis clinch the championship unless Abu Dhabi is still doing double points.
Edited by Texasmade - 10/11/15 at 10:34am
post #1634 of 2391
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Ugh. F1 is Russia stinks like Eccelstone ass. What a shitty track, race and state of affairs. Lewis Putin love... it's why I said a while back that he's become a douchebag. "Look at my cute hat, Mr Dictator".

We had a leader cruise around on engine mode the whole race. How incredibly boring. There was some mid-field action at times, but it was all too routine and pedestrian with grandstands half full. Not to mention the pathetic sight of lapping around all those abandoned Olympic venues. Raikkonen and Bottas was the only real event of the race, nutty move.

Interesting interview with Horner about engine situation. Sure sounded like a guy ready to grovel back to Renault if you ask me.
post #1635 of 2391

I think Lewis is just politically clueless. I don't look to athletes for nuance or sophistication on this sort of thing, but you'd think he'd know that Putin is effectively a dictator. Oh well. It's amusing that Putin was even there. His need to be seen in those contexts is telling.

 

Kimi's move was...optimistic. I think he fully earned that penalty.

 

LH needs to outscore SV by nine points and NR by two to clinch in Austin.

 

Also, Sainz admitted after the race that he was dizzy before and during the race. If I were one of the other drivers, I'd be pretty unhappy with him.

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