Formula 1 - F1 - Current Season Discussion

xerdox · Nov 18, 2013

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Joffrey · Nov 18, 2013

idfnl said:
I agree, I think my point is he is being given too much credit for being a super-driver. He's not, he's equal to other top guys but no more.

Apart from some team favoritism, which other drivers would have blown away Webber like Vettel has? I'm not so sure Alonso, Raikkonen or Hamilton would have more than double the points of Webber that Vettel has with one race to go.

sugarbutch · Nov 18, 2013

I take your point, but I think you overestimate Webber.

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idfnl · Nov 19, 2013

sugarbutch said:
I take your point, but I think you overestimate Webber.

Webber has **** starts, it destroys his races. Minus some great single laps in quali, he's lost motivation. You need a lot of commitment at this level, even with tires you can't race on, and he's not into it. This is making Vettel look more dominant than he is.

sugarbutch · Nov 19, 2013

Agreed. With car dominance like RBR's, it's astonishing that he's in FIFTH PLACE in the WDC.

idfnl · Nov 21, 2013

2013 vs 2014 car... worth a watch...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/video/f1-technik-reglement-2014-im-video-7913407.html

idfnl · Nov 25, 2013

Webber with his helmet off was a nice moment. It caught me completely by surprise, and it was meaningful.

Mark, like him or not, was a good character and was good for F1.

Otherwise it was another boring Vettel win.

sugarbutch · Nov 25, 2013

Rain races highlight what's been given up with the parc ferme rules. Because settings can't be changed without losing grid position, no one will run true rain settings with a lot of ride height anymore. Consequently, there's no point in Pirelli's making a "monsoon" tire, so we get 50-minute delays in quali because the cars will aquaplane too much. The claims about "visibility" are crap because the drivers will slow down when they can't see as was demonstrated by the cars coming through Grosjean's anti-mosquito measures.

Joffrey · Nov 25, 2013

Parc ferme has been around for many years. It's only recently that the sport has limited running under "excessively" wet conditions. I think it has to do with the 2009 (?) season when drivers had to run in certain races during torrential down pours. It seems like they've finally said enough with driving blind folded (to a certain extent by delaying running). Although it can produce some fantastic races, I'd hate to be in the grandstands during a wet race.

sugarbutch · Nov 25, 2013

The presence of parc ferme rules for a number of years doesn't invalidate my point. If they weren't there, then the drivers wouldn't be able to claim that the cars are undriveable in the really wet conditions.

Joffrey · Nov 25, 2013

Actually my point had to do with lack of visibility not driveability. I don't really have anything to say about the latter but I've heard several drivers state they preferred delaying a race start until the rain eases because they simply can't see anything when it gets particularly wet.

sugarbutch · Nov 25, 2013

I was unclear, but I was trying to respond directly to that point you raised.

idfnl · Nov 26, 2013

This is sissy F1. Waaa waaa waaa can't see. Gimme those millions, I'll see that track.

Webber described the problem as the ride height on intermediates and the plank aquaplaning the car. The full wets raise ride height so I don't really see the issue.

hennree · Dec 27, 2013

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