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post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by andrewgreg View Post

You think you hand made suit was made like this.
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But in fact, it like this.
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Or maybe something like this....
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...thousands of busy hands, all making hand made things...could be for LV, Gucci, Prada, Versace,...any lux brand.
post #17 of 38
Publicity stunt or not, people will continue to flock to LV regardless. I remembered paying more attention to LV when they started focusing on their timepieces. 7-8 years back perhaps even longer, while brands like Gucci, Ralph Lauren (Ralph Lauren only in recent years started catering their own line of automatic watches; more recently, Hermes decided to follow suit as well) were busy catering designer quartz watches, LV already had their watchmaking factories in place catering for high end automatic timepieces. Namely LV277 with Zenith movements, made-to-order $700K tourbillion, etc, almost sneaking themselves in the world of Haute Hologerie without making them look like they are in for a slice of a cake.

In the world of watch-making, many existing brands rely on history (Patek, Vacheron Constantine, Audemars Piguet - the big three to name a few) to market themselves with many of their '1st' achievements. Who would have known LV would cater a gold/platinum-encased tourbillion - a feat that shows LV is serious enough as well as capable enough to be able to deliver to high-end clientèle. (Chanel J12 Tourbillion then follow suit). Think about it:- made-to-order LV watches, now, that is another level altogether (Kari Voutilainen's fans would frown upon this). Russians are all over it. Purists would argue forcefully against LV being part of haute hologerie and with good reasons. But nowadays, who cares. A platinum cased tourbillion Louis Vuitton timepiece on a wrist would even make a WIS part his/her lips in awe.

In case you haven't heard, LV, now, are also marketing made-to-measure/order shoes. Obviously, the world is more educated now. The younger generation are getting richer quicker than they can spend it, and they know what they want. So LV caters to them and clearly, moving with today's times. They are expensive, they are luxury goods. The costs to make them are 1/4 or 1/5 or less with exorbitant profit margins. People still buy them regardless.

The Gucci artisans tour, including Hermes, etc acts as a form of education and marketing. Majority of people would think buying LV, Gucci, Hermes are merely buying for their brand names, which they are. Supplementing with knowledge of their origin triggers emotions, perhaps a new-found appreciation of handicraft, making an impression that the bag or wallet they have purchased are more than just a brand name - and in fact, the products have been put together by an artisan. Of course not all of the products are, but it certainly feels good to know the amount of work channelled into a product, and one would feel 'justified' in making the purchase. People who can't afford at the time would be emotionally challenged to save up and make the purchase one day. These marketing strategies are not one-hit-wonder, they are specifically done with long term vision in mind. Establishing impression on future buyers.

Luxury is about selling an imaginary lifestyle. Everyone wants a piece of it. Temporarily fulfilling short-term hunger before the vicious cycle begins again. It never ends.
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

All true but my point was only to caution again the assumption that in general LV is concerned with producing a superlative shoe for their customers in line with the price they paid. They're not, and they want to make a DECENT shoe that you'll pay for that satisfies the design requirements of Marc Jacobs' creative team. Further, my point was only that recently many of the major brands are pushing this "heritage and attention to quality" meme as a publicity stunt, of which this video seems a part.
Gucci even did a "chat with our artisan bag makers" event, where they had a few leather artisans from Italy briefly working in stores around the world. Do you think the average Gucci bag is made by hand by an Italian artisan? No, but some elderly grandpa sitting at his little leather stand makes a better story for potential purchasers of a $1900 handbag than a Chinese laborer punching away at a machine in a huge factory.
LV's shoes are better than other designers, but they're also more expensive. Same with bags. A "standard" anything from LV will be 20-30% more than Prada, Gucci, or others.
post #18 of 38
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post

That video has "Publicity stunt" written all over it,
yes yes.
LV might outsource Delos or a man to make a pair of hand welt shoe,
but how many man pay $5,000 for shoe?
People see video link and think all LV are hand made so it lift brand image to make it look luxury brand
post #19 of 38
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Originally Posted by Quarks View Post

Luxury is about selling an imaginary lifestyle. Everyone wants a piece of it. Temporarily fulfilling short-term hunger before the vicious cycle begins again. It never ends.

"Hey look....I'm wearing expensive hand made Louis Vuitton shoes and a Patek Philippe watch and you're not," It's about one's status and brand whoring.
Edited by MikeDT - 2/4/12 at 5:26am
post #20 of 38
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

"Hey look....I'm wearing expensive hand made XXXXX shoes and a XXXXX watch and you're not," It's about one's status and brand whoring.


Please don't talk about Styleforum members like that............it's quite rude.
post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by Quarks View Post

Publicity stunt or not, people will continue to flock to LV regardless. I remembered paying more attention to LV when they started focusing on their timepieces. 7-8 years back perhaps even longer, while brands like Gucci, Ralph Lauren (Ralph Lauren only in recent years started catering their own line of automatic watches; more recently, Hermes decided to follow suit as well) were busy catering designer quartz watches, LV already had their watchmaking factories in place catering for high end automatic timepieces. Namely LV277 with Zenith movements, made-to-order $700K tourbillion, etc, almost sneaking themselves in the world of Haute Hologerie without making them look like they are in for a slice of a cake.
In the world of watch-making, many existing brands rely on history (Patek, Vacheron Constantine, Audemars Piguet - the big three to name a few) to market themselves with many of their '1st' achievements. Who would have known LV would cater a gold/platinum-encased tourbillion - a feat that shows LV is serious enough as well as capable enough to be able to deliver to high-end clientèle. (Chanel J12 Tourbillion then follow suit). Think about it:- made-to-order LV watches, now, that is another level altogether (Kari Voutilainen's fans would frown upon this). Russians are all over it. Purists would argue forcefully against LV being part of haute hologerie and with good reasons. But nowadays, who cares. A platinum cased tourbillion Louis Vuitton timepiece on a wrist would even make a WIS part his/her lips in awe.
In case you haven't heard, LV, now, are also marketing made-to-measure/order shoes. Obviously, the world is more educated now. The younger generation are getting richer quicker than they can spend it, and they know what they want. So LV caters to them and clearly, moving with today's times. They are expensive, they are luxury goods. The costs to make them are 1/4 or 1/5 or less with exorbitant profit margins. People still buy them regardless.
The Gucci artisans tour, including Hermes, etc acts as a form of education and marketing. Majority of people would think buying LV, Gucci, Hermes are merely buying for their brand names, which they are. Supplementing with knowledge of their origin triggers emotions, perhaps a new-found appreciation of handicraft, making an impression that the bag or wallet they have purchased are more than just a brand name - and in fact, the products have been put together by an artisan. Of course not all of the products are, but it certainly feels good to know the amount of work channelled into a product, and one would feel 'justified' in making the purchase. People who can't afford at the time would be emotionally challenged to save up and make the purchase one day. These marketing strategies are not one-hit-wonder, they are specifically done with long term vision in mind. Establishing impression on future buyers.
Luxury is about selling an imaginary lifestyle. Everyone wants a piece of it. Temporarily fulfilling short-term hunger before the vicious cycle begins again. It never ends.

Good post and interesting points. I'm fascinated by the luxury market, from a sociological perspective as much as a consumer!
post #22 of 38
Talking about watch making I don't understand why people always say big 3 are Patek, Vacheron Constantine, Audemars Piguet.

Patek are the best, no doubt of that, as well as Constantine. But even A lange sohne, glashutte original or Breguet are better than Audemars Piguet.

AP are full of ugly design. Geez.
post #23 of 38
You sound mad. Why don't you stop judging? Well, I personally think every Alden shoe is ugly, but every one is circle jerking.

LV shoes look good. I appreciate all the guys who appreciate superior construction yet, most likely, use iphones. Boring. Pls stand in a tight circle.

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post #24 of 38
For whatever its worth I am sure everyone realizes that 2 different pairs of shoes are being made in the video. We are seeing more of the cemented shoe than the hand welted one. In fact we almost never see the completed hand welted one. The cemented shoe which many here say is ugly (I don't fully agree) is definitely of completely low grade assembly and material. There is absolutely nothing "better than" other designers here what so ever. The insole is a man made fiber board and the out sole does not even continue under the heel - hallmarks of the lowest of the low. This is on par with Aldo. However take all this and throw in a few images of hand cut uppers and hand welting and Voila now the consumer thinks this is one and the same and all LV shoes are hand made. Actuallu even the hand welted shoes has an outsole stitched by machine!.

I routinely drop in my local LV and everything is almost universally of modest assembly. This is not true luxury but more imaginery luxury.
post #25 of 38
Everyone on here for some reason likes to shit on brands like Louis Vuitton and more or less every other non-niche label. I honestly don't understand that? I mean they make quality products, they may not be "worth" the price tag they carry, but most of the brands we all buy are not really worth the retail either. I like a fair amount of the LV men's collection and if I could spend the $ for a few pairs of their shoes/and or clothes I def. would. I know I do have one pair of their boots and I love them...
post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

"Hey look....I'm wearing expensive hand made Louis Vuitton shoes and a Patek Philippe watch and you're not," It's about one's status and brand whoring.

yes. Rich people buy a 1450$ armani plain cashmere tee shirt and normal people buy 20$ J.Crew.

Maybe they were made in the same factory, but it's different because the brand. I'm wearing Armani, and you are not.
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by stormin10 View Post

Everyone on here for some reason likes to shit on brands like Louis Vuitton and more or less every other non-niche label. I honestly don't understand that? I mean they make quality products, they may not be "worth" the price tag they carry, but most of the brands we all buy are not really worth the retail either. I like a fair amount of the LV men's collection and if I could spend the $ for a few pairs of their shoes/and or clothes I def. would. I know I do have one pair of their boots and I love them...

Because some mugs are paying stupid amounts of money just to have the LV branding on their footwear?
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LV should be paying me $1000 bucks for their advertising.

TBH I can't stand the sight of the bloody brand...
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See also, Armani, Gucci, Versace, Burberry, D&G, etc.
Edited by MikeDT - 2/8/12 at 2:24am
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by stormin10 View Post
I mean they make quality products


I don't agree.
 

 

post #29 of 38
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Originally Posted by stormin10 View Post

Everyone on here for some reason likes to shit on brands like Louis Vuitton and more or less every other non-niche label. I honestly don't understand that? I mean they make quality products, they may not be "worth" the price tag they carry, but most of the brands we all buy are not really worth the retail either. I like a fair amount of the LV men's collection and if I could spend the $ for a few pairs of their shoes/and or clothes I def. would. I know I do have one pair of their boots and I love them...


If you are reffering to most of thier shoes, this is just plain wrong under any objective criteria. If you really feel this way and are not just referring to the aesthetic (which is nice sometimes) than may I know what you would consider low quality shoes?
post #30 of 38
It is amazing what machines can do today. Some are controlled by computers doing better than man eyeballing it. The video was nice.
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