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post #5206 of 6446
Half the joists were a foot lower than the rest? Were they all in one place? I'm having trouble imagining how that works. Were these actually the ceiling joists for the people below you or something?
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Half the joists were a foot lower than the rest? Were they all in one place? I'm having trouble imagining how that works. Were these actually the ceiling joists for the people below you or something?

Industrial buildings often have offset floors, as they have machines etc. which need to "buried" into to the floor for the work height to work.


Foo be glad you are not in real estate, I have dealt with that shit on 70,000 sq.ft. projects.
post #5208 of 6446
I would imagine that factory floor is a pretty solid construction, no play no nonsense. But rotting wood ...was there water down there, why would subfloor rot spontaneously? I suspect you have some moisture problem or even worse; condensation problem (no shauden froid)...


Floors are always come with a bit of a surprise just like hollow walls. When I was building powder room in the lobby of my apartment we needed to excavate the floors to connect drain pipe to existing main collector. When all wood and cement was removed what we found is ash. Compressed 45cm of ash. So all dead space between the floors was filled with layers of ash.
We dug into it and laid pipe with a proper pitch, it was a dirty job.

Anyone wants to guess what ash was doing between the floors and how it gotten there?
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Half the joists were a foot lower than the rest? Were they all in one place? I'm having trouble imagining how that works. Were these actually the ceiling joists for the people below you or something?

The back half of the room was lower than the front half.
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Industrial buildings often have offset floors, as they have machines etc. which need to "buried" into to the floor for the work height to work.

Very interesting potential explanation.
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I would imagine that factory floor is a pretty solid construction, no play no nonsense. But rotting wood ...was there water down there, why would subfloor rot spontaneously? I suspect you have some moisture problem or even worse; condensation problem (no shauden froid)...


Floors are always come with a bit of a surprise just like hollow walls. When I was building powder room in the lobby of my apartment we needed to excavate the floors to connect drain pipe to existing main collector. When all wood and cement was removed what we found is ash. Compressed 45cm of ash. So all dead space between the floors was filled with layers of ash.
We dug into it and laid pipe with a proper pitch, it was a dirty job.

Anyone wants to guess what ash was doing between the floors and how it gotten there?

I didn't say the rot was spontaneous. We have no idea when it happened. Again, the building is 150 years old. It was converted to apartments 30-40 years ago. Who knows what's transpired along the way.
post #5210 of 6446
It could be as simple as poorly fixed water damaged. Either from a broken pibe, fire or some sort of overflow.
post #5211 of 6446
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"Accent wall" is the answer to no question ever.

Why don't you just mount everything to the wall directly and fish the wires up and behind the drywall? Also, there are in-wall speakers you can get and even behind-drywall speakers which are actually invisible. Audio quality will not be the greatest possible, but who cares if you just need decent TV speakers.

We have the whole house wired this way now, including the patio area, and it's a nice, neat installation. The benefit if streaming right off our NAS, or any of the Internet services, and run off a phone app is just bonus.
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We have the whole house wired this way now, including the patio area, and it's a nice, neat installation. The benefit if streaming right off our NAS, or any of the Internet services, and run off a phone app is just bonus.

Yeah, I had all of our media wiring hidden behind drywall. All devices are hidden away in a media closet. So, all you see is a TV on the wall--now, if only I could make that go away.

There was a week or two where we tried to convince ourselves we could live without a television in our living room. But then Game of Thrones came back on and we realized we are nowhere near cultured enough.
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Yeah, I had all of our media wiring hidden behind drywall. All devices are hidden away in a media closet. So, all you see is a TV on the wall--now, if only I could make that go away.

There was a week or two where we tried to convince ourselves we could live without a television in our living room. But then Game of Thrones came back on and we realized we are nowhere near cultured enough.

One of the perks of the hinterlands is square footage. We have our screen and home theatre in its own space and our fireplace/main entertaining area is free of that stuff.

There's always those flatscreens that look like mirrors when turned off...
post #5214 of 6446
I have been thinking of concealment for TV and did not find any palatable solutions. Market niche waiting to be filled.
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It could be as simple as poorly fixed water damaged. Either from a broken pibe, fire or some sort of overflow.
Firefighting activities is very plausible.
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I have been thinking of concealment for TV and did not find any palatable solutions. Market niche waiting to be filled.

Could not find a great way either. Anyway, you'd still wind up having your furniture somewhat oriented around the television, hidden or not.
post #5216 of 6446
We've been trying to figure out concealment, as well. The prior owner did the above-the-fireplace thing, but I hate that idea.

The best I've seen is to basically build a box that opens and then somehow finish that in a manner that would make it somewhat inconspicuous. If we can find a cover we like, we actually have a great spot to do something like that. I'm thinking we could put the TV on a moveable mount, which would let us put the cover in a place that makes sense aesthetically but also position the TV to a reasonable viewing angle, but, like I said, this is all if we can find/design a cover that works.
post #5217 of 6446
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I have been thinking of concealment for TV and did not find any palatable solutions. Market niche waiting to be filled.
Firefighting activities is very plausible.

 

 

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Could not find a great way either. Anyway, you'd still wind up having your furniture somewhat oriented around the television, hidden or not.

 

 

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We've been trying to figure out concealment, as well. The prior owner did the above-the-fireplace thing, but I hate that idea.

The best I've seen is to basically build a box that opens and then somehow finish that in a manner that would make it somewhat inconspicuous. If we can find a cover we like, we actually have a great spot to do something like that. I'm thinking we could put the TV on a moveable mount, which would let us put the cover in a place that makes sense aesthetically but also position the TV to a reasonable viewing angle, but, like I said, this is all if we can find/design a cover that works.

 

It is a very short time frame.  OLED TVs are two or three years from becoming fairly mainstream.  I know $20k for a 77" TV today is crazy, but it will probably be cut in half every year or 18 months (60"+ 4k TVs were upwards of $6k just two years ago, now they can be had for $500). Plus they'll get thinner and have the ability to be clear when off.

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It is a very short time frame.  OLED TVs are two or three years from becoming fairly mainstream.  I know $20k for a 77" TV today is crazy, but it will probably be cut in half every year or 18 months (60"+ 4k TVs were upwards of $6k just two years ago, now they can be had for $500). Plus they'll get thinner and have the ability to be clear when off.

Our TV is already an OLED. It's very thin and unobtrusive--but it's still a giant black rectangle.
post #5219 of 6446
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Our TV is already an OLED. It's very thin and unobtrusive--but it's still a giant black rectangle.

 

And in another two years or so, OLED TVs will be transparent when off: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2016/01/08/ces_get_ready_for_screens_you_can_roll_up_or_see_through/

post #5220 of 6446
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And in another two years or so, OLED TVs will be transparent when off: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2016/01/08/ces_get_ready_for_screens_you_can_roll_up_or_see_through/

It is a an empty frame standing or hanging on the wall at your waist level. Even if it becomes transparent you cannot hang painting behind it because it would be unusually low and look odd. Leaving it as is and putting some books or shelves behind would be inconvenient because of no access to those shelfs not to mention it would confuse cats, dogs and children.
I wish engineers would concentrate on making mini HD-projectors instead of ever bigger TV screens. TVs need to be made obsolete.
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